The AJ Green, the Joe Flacco, and the Defense- Week 2 Edition

[TheCity5]

I really don’t understand why everyone has such a problem with the Lamar plays. Collins had a nice run in that package solely because of the threat of Lamar. It adds another dimension to the offense that the defense has to think about.

There are 100 reasons to complain about last game and you guys pick something to bitch about that we run 5 times a game? Shut the fuck up.

The problem I have with the Lamar package is that Joe is a rhythm guy. You get him in rhythm and he's up there with all the elite QBs in the game, throw him off and he doesn't look so good. It didn't ruin us, but I don't think Joe would like it since he might feel like it could throw him off.

 

[ravenslord]

Suggs was as worthless as tits on a bull this game. He will released after this season.

 

[Sami84]

quite frankly, I see a lot of cuts next year. The entire off season needs to be dedicated to the following

1- Build an aggressive dominant O line ( Ali Marpet please)
2- A marquee free agent on D . Earl Thomas?
3- Re-Sign CJ
4- Cut Flacco and start gaining cap space
5- Draft an Elite Pass rusher in the first ( trade up for nick bosa or ed oliver)

 

[ravenslord]

quite frankly, I see a lot of cuts next year. The entire off season needs to be dedicated to the following

1- Build an aggressive dominant O line ( Ali Marpet please)
2- A marquee free agent on D . Earl Thomas?
3- Re-Sign CJ
4- Cut Flacco and start gaining cap space
5- Draft an Elite Pass rusher in the first ( trade up for nick bosa or ed oliver)

The problem with this is i dont think Lamar is ready next season. After that , yes.

 

[Sami84]

The problem with this is i dont think Lamar is ready next season. After that , yes.

in that case expect us to be at the basement of thr AFC north for the next 2 seasons.
This team needs to change draft philosphy of pre-season wins based on strong 2nd and 3rd stringers to top notch 1st string and average 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

[Sami84]

People here get enamored with the likes of brent urban, Tavon young, Willie Henry, Alex Lewis but the reality is that they are nowhere near great players. They would all be great backups on championship caliber teams but not starters. Our best players are still the old guys who are past their prime. Where is that WOW young stud that's clearly special..not someone who flashes but someone who's All Pro legit?

less trading back to horde picks and get the derwin james, the Jalen Ramseys or the marshon lattimores or the bosas.

 

[TheCity5]

People here get enamored with the likes of brent urban, Tavon young, Willie Henry, Alex Lewis but the reality is that they are nowhere near great players. They would all be great backups on championship caliber teams but not starters. Our best players are still the old guys who are past their prime. Where is that WOW young stud that's clearly special..not someone who flashes but someone who's All Pro legit?

less trading back to horde picks and get the derwin james, the Jalen Ramseys or the marshon lattimores or the bosas.

I badly wanted us to make a move for Ramsey or Bosa on draft day. We don't have any All-Pro's on this defense anymore. Eric Weddle was that guy in 2016 in his year here but hasn't looked like the same player since. Mosley is a guy you can count but has issues with injuries. Outside of that we don't have any elite players on this defense. I'd probably give a vote to Jimmy but his availability is a huge question mark.

FWIW, Humphrey's looks like that guy but it's still a little early to make that declaration, let's see what happens down the line. I think he can be an All-Pro/Elite CB.

 

[cdp]

Brown made the flashy plays, but Allen was my offensive MVP. He was out wide on GL packages which helped Flacco quickly identifying zone coverages, he played well on S.T, Allen had nice blitz pickups, lined-up in different positions and he obviously caught the ball well.
For the 1st time I saw an WR-screen that actually worked.
Flacco's Qb sneak was perfect.
Marty also used a lot of different personell grouping and sets with the same players playing multiple positons.

 

[Grim]

I really don’t understand why everyone has such a problem with the Lamar plays. Collins had a nice run in that package solely because of the threat of Lamar. It adds another dimension to the offense that the defense has to think about.

There are 100 reasons to complain about last game and you guys pick something to bitch about that we run 5 times a game? Shut the fuck up.

I hear you and I wouldn’t normally have an issue with it but hear me out, too:

Joe Flacco is a rhythm QB and by that I mean he needs to get into a rhythm to be any good. I think all QB are to an extent but him especially—good or bad—once he gets into a rhythm you want to keep him there if it’s good or let him get there if he’s getting into it. By taking Joe out of the game briefly you may lose that rhythm if he’s building it. I don’t remember when but I do remember thinking late in the game last night that it was a mistake to do that Lamar play because I felt like Joe was starting to get into a rhythm. This isn’t the DL where you have a rotation at QB.

 

[Grim]

The problem I have with the Lamar package is that Joe is a rhythm guy. You get him in rhythm and he's up there with all the elite QBs in the game, throw him off and he doesn't look so good. It didn't ruin us, but I don't think Joe would like it since he might feel like it could throw him off.

Lol sorry I didn’t read your post first I just posted then saw this but yeah, I agree with you. I think that you can’t disrupt his rhythm like that. He’s not a DL here or anything like that. He’s a QB

quite frankly, I see a lot of cuts next year. The entire off season needs to be dedicated to the following

1- Build an aggressive dominant O line ( Ali Marpet please)
2- A marquee free agent on D . Earl Thomas?
3- Re-Sign CJ
4- Cut Flacco and start gaining cap space
5- Draft an Elite Pass rusher in the first ( trade up for nick bosa or ed oliver)

I would’ve loved for us to get TJ Watt. He was my guy that draft. Kinda crushed my heart he went to PIT. I really hope he somehow flops. I’d love to get some OL players in draft and FA and Earl Thomas should be a target. Hell, dump Jefferson for him. Thomas is a truly elite caliber FS.

I badly wanted us to make a move for Ramsey or Bosa on draft day. We don't have any All-Pro's on this defense anymore. Eric Weddle was that guy in 2016 in his year here but hasn't looked like the same player since. Mosley is a guy you can count but has issues with injuries. Outside of that we don't have any elite players on this defense. I'd probably give a vote to Jimmy but his availability is a huge question mark.

FWIW, Humphrey's looks like that guy but it's still a little early to make that declaration, let's see what happens down the line. I think he can be an All-Pro/Elite CB.

Humphrey is a great player and could bring some respectability back to our drafting. He looks like one of our best picks in years if not the last 10 years. Kinda sad when you think about that.

 

[Deebo813]

The problem I have with the Lamar package is that Joe is a rhythm guy. You get him in rhythm and he's up there with all the elite QBs in the game, throw him off and he doesn't look so good. It didn't ruin us, but I don't think Joe would like it since he might feel like it could throw him off.

You get any qb in rhythym and theyre up there with the elite..

 

[TheCity5]

I would’ve loved for us to get TJ Watt. He was my guy that draft. Kinda crushed my heart he went to PIT. I really hope he somehow flops. I’d love to get some OL players in draft and FA and Earl Thomas should be a target. Hell, dump Jefferson for him. Thomas is a truly elite caliber FS.


Humphrey is a great player and could bring some respectability back to our drafting. He looks like one of our best picks in years if not the last 10 years. Kinda sad when you think about that.

I really like Humphrey a lot and I personally think he's going to be one of our great players here. The 2nd round has just been a huge bust for us and we have not done anything there for quite a long time and even Tyus hasn't made much of an impact himself and I question his long term outlook here. Add in Correa, Brown, Williams, Jernigan, and an absent pick from this past draft and you can honestly say that we have not hit on a 2nd round pick since K.O...

With Judon's poor play lately, I hope we can get a spark from Tyus in the same way we got it from Willie Henry.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

When you do, try to find Nick Boyle on the 4th&2 play to Buck Allen. That one really pissed me off.

I for sure will. Both fourth downs were back breakers.

 

[Tank]

The problem I have with the Lamar package is that Joe is a rhythm guy. You get him in rhythm and he's up there with all the elite QBs in the game, throw him off and he doesn't look so good. It didn't ruin us, but I don't think Joe would like it since he might feel like it could throw him off.

Whole heartedly agree and this holds true for all QBs and offenses in general.

 

[allblackraven]

Judon has been VERY underwhelming to start the year. He really needs to step up if we want any resemblance of a pass rush.

Tim Williams needs more pass rushing snaps. And what is going on with Bowser? As a second round pick in his second year he should be getting a large snap count. We need guys to step tf up I’m really tired of seemingly every team in the NFL having a better pass rush than us.

The bengals took advantage of CJ being out and turned to quick passes in the middle of the field. Which is one excuse for lack of pass rush. However, going an entire game with like 3 QB hits is absolutely inexcusable. There’s no reason to be that bad. Especially with their shitty Oline.

I'm also wondering about Bowser. He's been dinged during camp but seems OK now. As far as Judon goes, it'd be really nice if he at least stops with stupid, unnecessary penalties.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Gino Atkins had 9 pressures last night....

......

I disliked it not because it's not true, but because how do you not game plan to stop that man...

 

[Dom McRaven]

You know what?
I say we blame the uniforms - burn them - and leave it at that...

Agreed.

The good news is I think, none of us are outraging. It was an L but it was an L we should learn from. I still think this is a good team. This won't ruin our season. I still think we come out of the first 4 weeks, 3-1. I think we can beat the Steelers

Yeah wtf was up with them purple pants? I didn't like it at all. We are NOT the Minnesota Vikings, but perhaps this loss will serve as a wake up call to the team as a reminder that there's a lot of work to do (looking at you offensive line and Marty).

 

[allblackraven]

I don't think we can ever rely on him to be a pass rushing force out there since that's not his job, but he just gets taken out of passing plays sometimes single handidly. He's always talked about wanted to add to his sack number and being more effective at getting to the QB, but atm I don't think he's ever going to evolve into that. He's always going to be a force against the run but we'll never really see much from him against the passing game. He's valuable when it comes to taking up blockers, double teams and being immovable against the run, but he clearly wasn't that yestuday.

He is a very good run stuffer but does that warrant contract he got?

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Yeah, that's the play...The point being if you're gonna "arm" a receiver and the Ref's are gonna let you "arm" a receiver, that gives a real CB the opportunity to look the quarterbacks way, because against the sideline a WR only has one place to go while being "armed". Humpf never looks, so that tells a positional analyst the position is not natural to him at all. It could be argued he's a natural safety and perhaps with Harbaugh's departure. that is where he will wind up.

Fitz had a great game. When he's on, he's on. If he torched Lattimore good for him.

I watched the play you're referring to again and your take is pretty garbage, to be honest.

Humphrey did turn around to play the ball; he just never really had position because Green shielded the ball so well with his body.

The issue wasn't a matter of ball skills; it was a matter of Green being one of the cleanest route runners in the NFL. It started immediately off the snap when he took a hard jab step to the inside and had Humphrey commit to the inside route. This has Humphrey turned the wrong way, but Humphrey almost immediately recovers. Then, Green absolutely sells the corner route and takes an immediate break to the outside and comes back to the ball in one of the most fluid motions you will see from a receiver.

Nothing about what Green did sold his intentions. He was insane on that route.

 

[Justdewinit20]

I hear you and I wouldn’t normally have an issue with it but hear me out, too:

Joe Flacco is a rhythm QB and by that I mean he needs to get into a rhythm to be any good. I think all QB are to an extent but him especially—good or bad—once he gets into a rhythm you want to keep him there if it’s good or let him get there if he’s getting into it. By taking Joe out of the game briefly you may lose that rhythm if he’s building it. I don’t remember when but I do remember thinking late in the game last night that it was a mistake to do that Lamar play because I felt like Joe was starting to get into a rhythm. This isn’t the DL where you have a rotation at QB.

Sorry but Flacco was awful last night. I don’t think finding a rhythm would have helped. There were instances where he didn’t even go through his progressions and forced the ball to his receivers. Poor o line play was also an issue, it hurts that Yanda was awful last night as well. We’re old at alot of positions and this team needs an overhaul. We can’t spend in free agency until we get rid of bad contracts ie Flacco, Jimmy Smith(undependable), and Brandon Williams(run stuffer only). Sure we’re going to be able to beat up on bad teams but we haven’t beaten a true contender in a while.