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The Good, The Bad, and The ST Unit

Lost_In_Translation said:
Cinci is a bad team overall, they just have our number. Stop lingering on it and get over FFS. Sometimes the better team doesn't win and honestly, Denver is a better team
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I don’t think Denver is a better team. Maybe with Joe Mixon being injured, but I think you’re underrating cinci and overrating denver
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I don’t think Denver is a better team. Maybe with Joe Mixon being injured, but I think you’re underrating cinci and overrating denver
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Dude, chill. Seriously, you've done nothing but overreact today. Denver has a hell of more depth and some pretty impressive top end talent as well. Cinci will fall apart down the stretch, we just never play well there. Stop overthinking
 
Denver helped our cause a good little bit. Pretty undisciplined football game on their part.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I’m not so sure, our edge contain is looking like it will give us a lot of trouble, and the fact that we apparently need pierce and bwill both to consistently stop the run up the middle is troubling as well because now we’re gonna have to either sub or just concede any chance of pressure up the middle on passing downs. Our pass rush is still very suspect. And I’m still worried terribly about the OL/run game. It got better towards the end, but man I just can’t buy into a ravens pass heavy offense until I see it win us games for a while.

I think we look like a good team and with jimmy, Mosley, Henry, and hurst returning we should take a huge leap forward, but until I see us beat a team that is legitimately good I’ll struggle to buy in completely. I don’t buy the Broncos. If we were able to beat cinci, I’d be all in right now, but that loss is lingering in my head lol
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i dont see it the same way - on interior runs we looked dominant and consistently got into the backfield for TFLs it's just that outside contain aspect that we need to improve at and part of that will come with CJ coming back into the lineup and some better tackling from the secondary in run support methinks but we need to be better at setting the edge

the interior run defenders look dominant in most aspects though
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Dude, chill. Seriously, you've done nothing but overreact today. Denver has a hell of more depth and some pretty impressive top end talent as well. Cinci will fall apart down the stretch, we just never play well there. Stop overthinking
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i wouldnt say he's over-reacting in that particular statement - I 100% agree with him you're vastly underrating the bengals roster and overrating the broncos too
 
rossihunter2 said:
i dont see it the same way - on interior runs we looked dominant and consistently got into the backfield for TFLs it's just that outside contain aspect that we need to improve at and part of that will come with CJ coming back into the lineup and some better tackling from the secondary in run support methinks but we need to be better at setting the edge

the interior run defenders look dominant in most aspects though
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This exactly. I agree 100%. With CJ coming back to QB the defense that problem likely fixes itself. Remember, he also lines up the guys at the LOS and he's one of the best in the game at that.

What I have loved from this team.. First half points total on this team. 35 points through three weeks on defense. 7 are more on STs and I do not fault the defense for the Sanders TD. Second half through three weeks. 9 points total given up.

Wink knows how to adjust. That's a big change.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i wouldnt say he's over-reacting in that particular statement - I 100% agree with him you're vastly underrating the bengals roster and overrating the broncos too
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I disagree. Bengals are a solid team but they're only a threat in the games we actually play them. They'll fall apart down the line especially due to their lack of depth overall. Once Keenum gets into sync with that Denver offense, with a newly found rushing attack thanks to Lindsay and Freeman with good recievers and a really good defense. Yeah. I think they're a wild card team. Of course, Keenum could prove to be a fluke.

Neither team scares me in the grand scheme of things. Cinci always falls apart down the line. Denver could be a wild card team, but now. I don't think Cinci is this juggernaut. I had us losing against them because it was a classic trap game scenario. They have a better front 4 and receiving corps. That's it. That front four and receiving corps is enough to win a game if something like the CJ injury were to happen.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
This exactly. I agree 100%. With CJ coming back to QB the defense that problem likely fixes itself. Remember, he also lines up the guys at the LOS and he's one of the best in the game at that.

What I have loved from this team.. First half points total on this team. 35 points through three weeks on defense. 7 are more on STs and I do not fault the defense for the Sanders TD. Second half through three weeks. 9 points total given up.

Wink knows how to adjust. That's a big change.
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i absolutely blame the defence for the Sanders TD - Mclellan saw the move by Sanders but was aligned to the backside of the play and doesnt have the range to do anything vs a wr - Sizzle wasnt even looking at the play and keyed in on the wrong thing so completely lost the edge and then Peanut who was the LB closest to Sanders side couldnt shed or avoid the OL coming downhill

and it's either on Jefferson or Humphrey (and I think it's probably Humphrey) who was supposed to be in coverage initially and then they both read run and both go after the back and no one tracks sanders across the field so he ends up being basically tracked by a linebacker which is a borderline impossible assignment

it was poor execution on an ok play design - the FB basically gives away the play by going the opposite way to the HB but not a single person on defence outside of mclellan even thought about where the play was going and he was never in position to do anything about it

decent fake but no way i give the defence a pass for that - there's no way it should have been a td - i could understand it turning into a 10-15 yard gainer but so many people didnt execute

on both Broncos tds not only did the ball carrier go basically untouched for the whole run but so did their lead blocker which is unforgivable
 
rossihunter2 said:
i dont see it the same way - on interior runs we looked dominant and consistently got into the backfield for TFLs it's just that outside contain aspect that we need to improve at and part of that will come with CJ coming back into the lineup and some better tackling from the secondary in run support methinks but we need to be better at setting the edge

the interior run defenders look dominant in most aspects though
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We weren’t consistently bad and we had some dominant plays up the middle, I don’t wanna sound like I’m overstating anything in that regard, but we got gashed up the middle for big chunks way more than what I’m used to seeing, and I’m attributing that to Mosley and Pierce being out
 
People dwelling on the Bengals game...
Minnesota got their asses kicked by the worst team in football. Shit happens. Sometimes the better team doesn't win here. The Bengals had that one dominat quarter against us because CJ went down. That's what happened. We should be fine. We have a real test next week vs. Pittsburgh.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Dude, chill. Seriously, you've done nothing but overreact today. Denver has a hell of more depth and some pretty impressive top end talent as well. Cinci will fall apart down the stretch, we just never play well there. Stop overthinking
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I’m not overthinking lol I thought very little of Denver coming into this season and they haven’t changed my mind, their first 2 weeks took late comebacks to win and they looked like overachievers. Bengals on the other hand, if their OL plays well they’re dangerous with a fuckload of weapons and one of the best 4 man rushes in the league.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
We weren’t consistently bad and we had some dominant plays up the middle, I don’t wanna sound like I’m overstating anything in that regard, but we got gashed up the middle for big chunks way more than what I’m used to seeing, and I’m attributing that to Mosley and Pierce being out
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id say mosley more than anything - the difference wasnt the percentage of plays they made 4 yards up the middle, the problem was the number of times a 4 yard run turned into a 9-12 yard run - i can deal with the defence giving up the occasional 4 yard run (as long as its not every down which it isnt given how often our DL wins at the LoS) but Mosley coming back and filling the right gap will close up so many holes in the interior run game (not that there were many already)

if im honest i think its probably a perception thing because you probably remember the chunks more than the TFLs or tackles for no/minimal gain
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Derwin James imo should turn out to be the best defender, maybe best player from this class. He was a steal. But he’s gotta make a quick leap at a really tough position for a rookie, if he continues I don’t see why he can’t win it, but I still think Kenny young is on pace to be in the conversation
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in the conversation, yes I would agree with that, but in the end I doubt he wins it.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
People dwelling on the Bengals game...
Minnesota got their asses kicked by the worst team in football. Shit happens. Sometimes the better team doesn't win here. The Bengals had that one dominat quarter against us because CJ went down. That's what happened. We should be fine. We have a real test next week vs. Pittsburgh.
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we should have beaten the bengals - that doesnt make them a bad team though
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
People dwelling on the Bengals game...
Minnesota got their asses kicked by the worst team in football. Shit happens. Sometimes the better team doesn't win here. The Bengals had that one dominat quarter against us because CJ went down. That's what happened. We should be fine. We have a real test next week vs. Pittsburgh.
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But is that even a real test? 1. It’s a division game and those are always way different than non division games, but also the Steelers haven’t even looked good, especially on defense. Our offense SHOULD shred them but since it’s the steelers...who knows
 
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