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I don’t understand it either, Burrow has arguably the best WR room but has been 2nd in the division behind the Ravens each year until Lamar went down. You can point to the completion percentage but Lamar does not have nearly the talent Burrow does (until maybe this year). The Ravens haven’t been a successful screen/short passing team with Roman and you can argue Lamar’s completion percentage could be 3% higher if they incorporated more of these plays early on.

That’s why I usually look towards PPG for QB and efficiency on those drives since the Ravens have been so run heavy. A lot of those touchdowns go to the running backs since that’s where the talent and scheme was built for.
Thank you, I feel like I’m arguing with my friends almost. Not saying we should all be homers but it’s like we’ve forgotten we’ve been in 1st two years straight until Lamar went down. The Bengals have been the beneficiaries of a lot of injuries
 
I have a bad feeling about this one.

Our pass rush looked almost decent vs rookie QB and a backup O line.
Our secondary didn't have much of an opposition but Woods still caught quite a few. And we lost Marcus.
Our O line looked terrible but adjusted well vs pretty great Texans front. Too bad our best two linemen are out.
Our second best player on offense is out again.
Bengals will be pissed off after that ugly loss vs Browns and they are 100% healthy, of course.
Not for anything but hopefully Harbaugh has the team pissed off over the playoff game and the cocky ass holes that are Chase and Mixon
 
Lamar has had some very good "statistical" games in the playoffs and in many instances we lost due to the defense more than the offense. He's also had some bad games in the playoffs, but no he hasn't had the success that Burrow has had. He has hasn't had the wide receivers that Burrow has had either.

I like Burrow as a QB, but I don't think it's as easy to decide who is better between the two.
Tbh, i dnt remember lamar having a single good playoff game stat wise..That titans lose was all garbage yards
 
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Thank you, I feel like I’m arguing with my friends almost. Not saying we should all be homers but it’s like we’ve forgotten we’ve been in 1st two years straight until Lamar went down. The Bengals have been the beneficiaries of a lot of injuries
That int lamar threw sunday, he still throws that even if its jerry rice. He still gonna under/over throw a wr regardless of who it is. He isnt gonna be able to read defenses like peyton manning just because he has chase,higgins and boyd..yea he will throw for more yards but the same mistakes he makes now, he will make with the greatest wr core ever
 
That int lamar threw sunday, he still throws that even if its jerry rice. He still gonna under/over throw a wr regardless of who it is. He isnt gonna be able to read defenses like peyton manning just because he has chase,higgins and boyd..yea he will throw for more yards but the same mistakes he makes now, he will make with the greatest wr core ever
Don’t get me wrong, Lamar has his faults, but he has made an offense with 0 explosive players, explosive at times it shouldn’t be.That will come with turnovers like Josh Allen, and I’m sure there are a couple 3-4 turnover games this season upcoming for Lamar. There’s just an intangible skill he has that’s similar to Brady where even if the stats aren’t there, he’s putting his team in winning position most of the time (you can argue not in the playoffs).

People underestimate the value of a receiver being able to catch a 5 yard pass and turn it into a big play. I’m excited that this might be the first time a Ravens team can run a screen effectively.
 
Also I’ve thought about it more and ESPN just wants their golden boy to be up top, no way Lamar’s QBR should be lower than Burrow’s, he had 70% completion versus under 50%.
Tbh, i dnt remember lamar having a single good playoff game stat wise..That titans lose was all garbage yards
If Hurst catches that pass in the endzone it’s a game again, he wanted to be fed then wasn’t even looking for the ball. Then he has the nerve to taunt us when he comes back. Mark Andrews tip drill then Seth Roberts dropping a wide open pass that could have gone for 6, it wasn’t all Lamar’s fault.
 
We've been waiting for Lamar to take the next step in the passing game and I just don't think that's going to happen anymore. He is who he is at this point. He needs to cut the mistakes down and just play his game. Is that good enough to win a SB? I think so... But Joe Burrow is way better than Lamar as a passer, the only thing Lamar has on him is his ability to escape the pocket and run. He even looks slower at doing that now. I'm not pooping Lamar but let's be real to say he is at the same level as Burrow nah..
 
We've been waiting for Lamar to take the next step in the passing game and I just don't think that's going to happen anymore. He is who he is at this point. He needs to cut the mistakes down and just play his game. Is that good enough to win a SB? I think so... But Joe Burrow is way better than Lamar as a passer, the only thing Lamar has on him is his ability to escape the pocket and run. He even looks slower at doing that now. I'm not pooping Lamar but let's be real to say he is at the same level as Burrow nah..
He’s had one game with the new OC and weapons
 
What's crazy about this game is this is the earliest we play at the Bengals during the season since 2018...................when we played them in week 2 as well.
 
What's crazy about this game is this is the earliest we play at the Bengals during the season since 2018...................when we played them in week 2 as well.
that Nov game in 2018 was Lamars first start. very memorial spin move in that game. think he carried the ball over 25 times and about 120 yards
 
What's crazy about this game is this is the earliest we play at the Bengals during the season since 2018...................when we played them in week 2 as well.
I was at that game, it’s annoying that one site has Lamar’s career record against them as 6-2, when in actuality it’s 6-1 as a starter because he played two wildcat plays in that 2018 week 2 game and that was it. I see people misuse that in arguments and it should be 6-1
 
We've been waiting for Lamar to take the next step in the passing game and I just don't think that's going to happen anymore. He is who he is at this point. He needs to cut the mistakes down and just play his game. Is that good enough to win a SB? I think so... But Joe Burrow is way better than Lamar as a passer, the only thing Lamar has on him is his ability to escape the pocket and run. He even looks slower at doing that now. I'm not pooping Lamar but let's be real to say he is at the same level as Burrow nah..
And I agree that Burrow and Mahomes are way better passers. Even QBs like Tua are way more accurate. But I think the issue with QB rankings is there are many things that go into a QB. If you look at a Hurts or Lamar type, I think you can get away with winning with less. But for pocket passers like Burrow, the ceiling is higher based on the players around them because they can get that ball to their playmakers nearly every time. If you consider that better that’s a valid opinion. But I believe the Ravens don’t have nearly the success they have had if it was a Burrow or Mahomes the past 5 years.
 
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He’s had one game with the new OC and weapons
I wasn't referring to just this game. We all know he looked rusty and that's not his normal game. I was just making a point that he will never be on Burrows level passing wise and that's ok. His athleticism makes up for some of that and we can still win a SB with him is all.
 
Both the Ravens and Bengals looked terrible on Sunday. I'm not entirely sure if our win vs. their loss is a 100% good thing heading into this game.

On the one hand, we were able to treat it like preseason and get everyone up to speed with a vanilla scheme. (At least, I hope that's not Monken's vision for the offense)

On the other, we've got a cushion and Cinci don't, so they're going to be extra fired up to get the win. If we end up 1-1, I'd rather be in their shoes with the W coming against a tough divisional opponent.
 
I wasn't referring to just this game. We all know he looked rusty and that's not his normal game. I was just making a point that he will never be on Burrows level passing wise and that's ok. His athleticism makes up for some of that and we can still win a SB with him is all.
Sunday was one of Lamar's worst ever games but that was partly down to how easy it was. Lamar's a competitor. He never looks his best in practice or preseason. We've seen him start reg. season games just as sloppily as he did vs. Houston but then pull out some great play to secure the win. He never needed to find another gear on Sunday, so he remained bad.

I agree with you that Burrow's a more consistent passer, so what worried me about Sunday was that the run and pass games didn't seem to be tied together on Sunday. Hopefully that was just Monken keeping his powder dry for the Bengals, because we need to blur the boundaries - in a straight passing contest they have advantages at QB and WR.
 
And I agree that Burrow and Mahomes are way better passers. Even QBs like Tua are way more accurate. But I think the issue with QB rankings is there are many things that go into a QB. If you look at a Hurts or Lamar type, I think you can get away with winning with less. But for pocket passers like Burrow, the ceiling is higher based on the players around them because they can get that ball to their playmakers nearly every time. If you consider that better that’s a valid opinion. But I believe the Ravens don’t have nearly the success they have had if it was a Burrow or Mahomes the past 5 years.
Right, and it will be interesting to see how this new offense evolves. It’s obviously designed to be more of a passing offense.
 
Well you can tell that to the people that use Burrow’s playoff wins as rationale over Lamar, we see a measurable drop in win % when Lamar goes down. Wins are not solely a QB stat but clearly, especially in todays NFL the QB play has the largest influence on wins.

Maybe it’s because I’ve watched every game the two have played and I see the ridiculous catches these guys make for him, and the better passing scheme in action, but I simply do not agree with this gap declaration nor is it settled science.

And Lamar cannot be evaluated as a standard QB, he’s a ball control weapon in the run game and makes big plays to open up the passing game and run game himself.

You’ll probably just chastise him but Colin Cowherd makes it simple, Lamar wins 70% of his games, he’s elite
I would tell that to the people who use wins to judge Burrow just as I am telling that to you right now. Burrow is better for reasons you can actually analyze so using wins is a low football IQ way to go about it. The only thing your example shows is that Lamar Jackson is better than Tyler Huntley. That is the ONLY thing you have shown because the only time you can use wins is when comparing 2 QBs on the exact same roster which only applies when one is starting and one is the backup. You have successfully demonstrated that a top 10 QB is better than a top 45 QB. Mahomes is the best QB in football but if you put him on the Cardinals they are not making the playoffs and Mahomes would STILL be the best QB in football.

I would mock Cowherd because he is basically a poor mans Skip Bayless. He does not actually know anything but comes up with hot takes and flips them constantly to just keep being in the press.

When you have a player who is more accurate deep and short, has more velocity, makes better decisions, has a quicker release, protects the ball better, reads defenses better, and is more available, than that is enough to outweigh Lamar being more mobile. The thing is though you could do the same thing for Burrow versus everyone else who is not Mahomes and come up with the same result and that is why he is the second best QB in football and there is a gap between 2 and whoever you want to call 3.
 
Oh i agree but when non raven fans look at it, thats not what it says. History books also say he played bad and lost.
I agree and unfortunately history doesn't tell the total story. Lamar being the person he is, took full responsibility. He also had a bad game when we lost to the Bills, but of course so did Allen. Weather was making it a very defensive game.
 
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