The Lamar Jackson, the Cincinnati Bengals, and the Walt Coleman

[DeVito52]

I find it funny that several of you consistently hate on Urban, including numerous times yesterday, yet @Filmstudy listed him as one of his 3 defensive stars for yesterday’s game, and he was consistently in on run stops and had a couple pressures as well. Just shows how little some people understand what they’re watching.

 

[rossihunter2]

I find it funny that several of you consistently hate on Urban, including numerous times yesterday, yet @Filmstudy listed him as one of his 3 defensive stars for yesterday’s game, and he was consistently in on run stops and had a couple pressures as well. Just shows how little some people understand what they’re watching.

i remember watching one snap where i was sure he jumped because he was that quick off the ball - he literally had the OL 2 yards in the backfield by the time dalton got the ball in his hands off the shotgun snap

 

[Adreme]

I find it funny that several of you consistently hate on Urban, including numerous times yesterday, yet @Filmstudy listed him as one of his 3 defensive stars for yesterday’s game, and he was consistently in on run stops and had a couple pressures as well. Just shows how little some people understand what they’re watching.

Its the Jimmy Smith effect. Jimmy basically didn't get targeted yesterday that I saw (except for 1 15-20 yard completion) so fans never see him making plays just existing.

 

[ravenslord]

https://twitter.com/mattwaldman/status/1064344064806539271?s=21

Let’s give Lamar a pocket and we’ll see him make big plays with his arm

He’s already making his own pocket

Impressive here - he gets through 3 reads before the pocket breaks down

He’s getting through the reads more than Joe because he is extending the play with his feet , something Joe can’t do .
I have little doubt Joe would have been sacked 3-4 more times and fumbled if he played .

 

[RaineV1]

I agree, the stretch simply doesn’t work anymore, front sevens have gotten so athletic that you can’t turn the corner on a stretch and guys are just so caught up to how to defend the stretch now that the backside is always contained. The shanahan tree has begun to run its course at least as far as the stretch goes.

I’m all on board with romans scheme, we just need a better C who doesn’t get bulled in the backfield every time we wanna pull a blocker

It worked only four years ago. Let's not talk about his scheme as if it's decades old. It got us to the playoffs and two separate multiscore leads against the Pats.

 

[Grim]

It worked only four years ago. Let's not talk about his scheme as if it's decades old. It got us to the playoffs and two separate multiscore leads against the Pats.

That’s not the point I think he was making but maybe I’m wrong. The NFL made the chop block that the Kubiak System used quite a bit illegal after he left us. I feel like that affected his scheme somewhat. How was the Denver OL when he left us? Serious question as I forget

 

[ravenslord]

I have little doubt that we would have lost to Cincy with Joe as QB, particularly being hurt.

The problem with Lamar as a rookie is if we get down 17-3 ,can he use his arm to bring us back with limited time left?

 

[Grim]

I have little doubt that we would have lost to Cincy with Joe as QB, particularly being hurt.

The problem with Lamar as a rookie is if we get down 17-3 ,can he use his arm to bring us back with limited time left?

Not comparing him to Tom Brady here but didn’t people say the same about him? That he couldn’t throw deep? Maybe the deep throws aren’t a big deal as long as they can tear it up intermediate and short? Not saying that’s ideal just saying maybe it can be mitigated but he does need to show he can kill you deep too. I’m sure Brown wants him to prove it if Brown wants to come back next year if Joe is gone.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

He’s getting through the reads more than Joe because he is extending the play with his feet , something Joe can’t do .
I have little doubt Joe would have been sacked 3-4 more times and fumbled if he played .

Joe doesn’t go through progressions when the pocket is clean

 

[ravenslord]

Joe doesn’t go through progressions when the pocket is clean

I know

 

[rossihunter2]

He’s getting through the reads more than Joe because he is extending the play with his feet , something Joe can’t do .
I have little doubt Joe would have been sacked 3-4 more times and fumbled if he played .

ummmm read my post again - yes what you said is true

but lamar on that particular play made 3 reads before he even had to bail out of the pocket

 

[ravenslord]

Not comparing him to Tom Brady here but didn’t people say the same about him? That he couldn’t throw deep? Maybe the deep throws aren’t a big deal as long as they can tear it up intermediate and short? Not saying that’s ideal just saying maybe it can be mitigated but he does need to show he can kill you deep too. I’m sure Brown wants him to prove it if Brown wants to come back next year if Joe is gone.

I hope he takes a couple of deep shots against Oakland. You know they will be keying on the run and short passing game.

 

[rossihunter2]

I have little doubt that we would have lost to Cincy with Joe as QB, particularly being hurt.

The problem with Lamar as a rookie is if we get down 17-3 ,can he use his arm to bring us back with limited time left?

do you have any confidence joe could based on the showings of the last few seasons - what was the last big deficit we came from behind to win from?

hell when was our last offensive game winning drive?

 

[rossihunter2]

It worked only four years ago. Let's not talk about his scheme as if it's decades old. It got us to the playoffs and two separate multiscore leads against the Pats.

the nfl has changed that quickly though
you cant make the same blocks in the run game you could before...
you cant hit the qb in the same way you could before...
there is an even larger emphasis on offensive play due to slight rule change emphases like with contact downfield...
offensive schemes and gameplans have developed to a crazy degree since sean mcvay became a HC, andy reid completely rewired his offensive scheme and young qbs have developed - since 2017 the nfl has changed completely

so yes it was only 4 years ago - but it really is functionally a long long time ago in terms of evolution of the nfl

 

[cdp]

do you have any confidence joe could based on the showings of the last few seasons - what was the last big deficit we came from behind to win from?

hell when was our last offensive game winning drive?

2016 against the Jags (FG) or TD in 2015 kick six against the browns. this hurts and also shows Marty's/Flaccos shortcomings. ugh.

 

[RavensMania]

Marty is reading this and since he has no brain will put

Hurst at LT
Stanley at LG.

And now it’s all your fault

And Skura at RT

 

[rossihunter2]

2016 against the Jags (FG) or TD in 2015 kick six against the browns. this hurts and also shows Marty's/Flaccos shortcomings. ugh.

which is insane... i mean 2 bad teams managed it just this weekend - the raiders and broncos both managed game winning drives in the 4pm games this sunday

if the broncos could manage it with case keenum at qb against the chargers then why cant we do it in the last 2 seasons...?

 

[rossihunter2]

And Skura at RT

at least he's not at centre

 

[allblackraven]

at least he's not at centre

We are bringing Gino back after Skura moves to RT

 

[RavensMania]

We are bringing Gino back after Skura moves to RT

Finally