Terrell Suggs: Can/should we get him?

[rossihunter2]

no he can't do that

he technically can but the team would have to not put him on the reserve/retired list despite his stated retirement - unlikely a team would do that if their aim in the first place was to stop him playing for us

there's a way that could happen but it would be a bizarre situation for it to happen - unless teams dont believe he'll follow through with refusing to play and are signing him for non-vindictive reasons and just wanted him to play

 

[RavensMania]

he technically can but the team would have to not put him on the reserve/retired list despite his stated retirement - unlikely a team would do that if their aim in the first place was to stop him playing for us

there's a way that could happen but it would be a bizarre situation for it to happen - unless teams dont believe he'll follow through with refusing to play and are signing him for non-vindictive reasons and just wanted him to play

but he can't retire and deside to come back because that team would have right of first refusal.

 

[rossihunter2]

but he can't retire and deside to come back because that team would have right of first refusal.

that's correct if they move him to the reserve/retired list - which they would likely do - but if they dont and they get rid of him to create space on the 53 then he'd be free to sign anywhere (after going through waivers again)

its incredibly unlikely - would require a team that claimed him on waivers being actively kind to sizzle in that situation (in which case they likely wouldnt have claimed him in the first place

 

[RavensMania]

that's correct if they move him to the reserve/retired list - which they would likely do - but if they dont and they get rid of him to create space on the 53 then he'd be free to sign anywhere (after going through waivers again)

its incredibly unlikely - would require a team that claimed him on waivers being actively kind to sizzle in that situation (in which case they likely wouldnt have claimed him in the first place

everyone knows who he wants to play for and that is what is going to make tomorrow so interesting. We won't claim him either, if we even have a chance to make a claim. If we do that, then we have 2m cap hit next season due to the voidable yrs contract. We would most likely let him get through waivers and then sign him to a contract for the remainder of the season, to finish out his career.

 

[rossihunter2]

everyone knows who he wants to play for and that is what is going to make tomorrow so interesting. We won't claim him either, if we even have a chance to make a claim. If we do that, then we have 2m cap hit next season due to the voidable yrs contract. We would most likely let him get through waivers and then sign him to a contract for the remainder of the season, to finish out his career.

there'd be no guaranteed money in that 2nd year though - all the dead cap is in arizona and he's only due game checks at this point so no reason we wouldnt claim him and then either let him retire a raven or release him next offseason (or keep him at the 3m it would cost)

 

[RavensMania]

there'd be no guaranteed money in that 2nd year though - all the dead cap is in arizona and he's only due game checks at this point so no reason we wouldnt claim him and then either let him retire a raven or release him next offseason (or keep him at the 3m it would cost)

this is true. Guaranteed doesn't transfer

 

[RavensMania]

there'd be no guaranteed money in that 2nd year though - all the dead cap is in arizona and he's only due game checks at this point so no reason we wouldnt claim him and then either let him retire a raven or release him next offseason (or keep him at the 3m it would cost)

I know that, I'm agreeing with you. The reason for the 2nd year was the voidable year to spread the guaranteed signing bonus over two seasons and we don't have to worry about the signing bonus if we claim him.

I'm not sure why you say it wold cost 3m. I'm not seeing a salary in year two at all.

 

[rossihunter2]

I know that, I'm agreeing with you. The reason for the 2nd year was the voidable year to spread the guaranteed signing bonus over two seasons and we don't have to worry about the signing bonus if we claim him.

I'm not sure why you say it wold cost 3m. I'm not seeing a salary in year two at all.

he signed a 2 year 10m deal with 4m signing bonus and 3m base salary this year - only 2m dead money showing in year 2 of deal so no guaranteed money in year 2 - so did the maths and means there's a 3m salary in year 2 also

 

[RavensMania]

he signed a 2 year 10m deal with 4m signing bonus and 3m base salary this year - only 2m dead money showing in year 2 of deal so no guaranteed money in year 2 - so did the maths and means there's a 3m salary in year 2 also

I don't think so, because the contract shows a salary of zero dollars (under base salary). I agree it was a 4m signing bonus, spread over two seasons and that won't carry over if we claim him off waivers. However I don't think their actually is a year two to the deal, other than being a voidable year.

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't think so, because the contract shows a salary of zero dollars (under base salary). I agree it was a 4m signing bonus, spread over two seasons and that won't carry over if we claim him off waivers. However I don't think their actually is a year two to the deal, other than being a voidable year.

maybe it was automatically voided by him being waived but im pretty sure he signed a 2 year 10m deal

 

[JO_75]

We won't know nothing until 4PM correct? The only two teams I've heard who could put a claim in are the Titans and 49ers.

Sucks someone who has been in the league as long as Suggs has to still go through waivers. That's another thing the NFLPA needs to fight for, after x amount of years in the league, your no longer subject to the waiver wire.

 

[RavensMania]

We won't know nothing until 4PM correct? The only two teams I've heard who could put a claim in are the Titans and 49ers.

Sucks someone who has been in the league as long as Suggs has to still go through waivers. That's another thing the NFLPA needs to fight for, after x amount of years in the league, your no longer subject to the waiver wire.

not unless another team claims him. He clears waivers at 4pm

 

[RavensMania]

maybe it was automatically voided by him being waived but im pretty sure he signed a 2 year 10m deal

well if you click on his name in spotrac.com, you'll see that there wasn't a base salary. If he signed a 2 yr 10m contract, then he would have a salary for next season. Anyway, either way, we no none of the guaranteed money would be transferred over if we claim him.

 

[rossihunter2]

well if you click on his name in spotrac.com, you'll see that there wasn't a base salary. If he signed a 2 yr 10m contract, then he would have a salary for next season. Anyway, either way, we no none of the guaranteed money would be transferred over if we claim him.

in which case there's literally no reason not to claim him on waivers vs letting him hit free agency lol - the difference in contract value is about 200k over these last 2 games vs vet minimum

 

[rossihunter2]

well today's the day we find out if anyone claimed him

 

[Sami84]

just 3 hours to go

 

[allenlh]

just 3 hours to go

Is no news good news, or is it just everyone interested may be putting in claims right now and they just announce at 4pm who has highest claim on him?

 

[Sami84]

Is no news good news, or is it just everyone interested may be putting in claims right now and they just announce at 4pm who has highest claim on him?

yeah, wondering the same thing...

 

[RavensMania]

in which case there's literally no reason not to claim him on waivers vs letting him hit free agency lol - the difference in contract value is about 200k over these last 2 games vs vet minimum

yes, this I agree with. I only said this because it had slipped my mind that the prorated signing bonus didn't transfer.

 

[RavensMania]

Is no news good news, or is it just everyone interested may be putting in claims right now and they just announce at 4pm who has highest claim on him?

I would say no news is good news.