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Divisional Round Tennessee Titans @ Baltimore Ravens

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PurplePower

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i think you're underestimating the comedy of errors the ravens forced on themselves - fluky turnover (off a drop), 7-8 other drops - at least 3 killed drives, 2 other turnovers by jackson (who has consistently been so careful with the football), awful clock management - the ravens shot themselves in the foot and then tied one of their hands behind their back

im not underestimating the titans and they were a joy to watch to end the regular season but this loss was self-inflicted - every titans point came off a ravens turnover

Agreed, which is what I said in my reply to him. We beat ourselves. That was pathetic. Our own damn fault. If the Ravens played the Titans 3 more times we'd probably go 3-0. A homer statement for sure. But we know what this team can do. Hats off to the Titans on a great win. But we really did do ourselves in.
 

cubs79

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i think you're underestimating the comedy of errors the ravens forced on themselves - fluky turnover (off a drop), 7-8 other drops - at least 3 killed drives, 2 other turnovers by jackson (who has consistently been so careful with the football), awful clock management - the ravens shot themselves in the foot and then tied one of their hands behind their back

im not underestimating the titans and they were a joy to watch to end the regular season but this loss was self-inflicted - every titans point came off a ravens turnover

THose things are all apart of the game. Mistakes dont happen in a vacuum, some times the other team forces mistakes. I think the TItans played you as well as anyone all year. Lamar never looked comfortable IMO, and that wasnt due to mistakes, that was due to a really good defensive scheme.

I will give you the clock management to a degree. The end of the first half you wasted a lot of time before calling a timeouts. But, the other option is to let the defense to reset too, so no way of knowing how exactly that pans out. And down big in the second half you obviously wasted some time, but again, the other option is to take big chances that could result in INTs or what not. At the same time, clock management is part of the game so it isnt really an excuse to a team beating themselves. It could easily just be the other team managed things better which is part of the chess match.
 

Believe Dat

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THose things are all apart of the game. Mistakes dont happen in a vacuum, some times the other team forces mistakes. I think the TItans played you as well as anyone all year. Lamar never looked comfortable IMO, and that wasnt due to mistakes, that was due to a really good defensive scheme.

I will give you the clock management to a degree. The end of the first half you wasted a lot of time before calling a timeouts. But, the other option is to let the defense to reset too, so no way of knowing how exactly that pans out. And down big in the second half you obviously wasted some time, but again, the other option is to take big chances that could result in INTs or what not. At the same time, clock management is part of the game so it isnt really an excuse to a team beating themselves. It could easily just be the other team managed things better.
I think by definition, the other team doesn't force drops (otherwise those would be PBUs). You take away the drops alone, keep the 4th down failures, and I still think you have a different ballgame. Of course, we will never know
 

cubs79

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But every game doesn't have dropped passes or poor plays. Seriously, how often does Jonnu Smith make that play? How often does that pass bounce off Andrews' hands AND get intercepted? It wasn't just the types of mistakes, but the sheer volume. Murphy's law dominated this game from a Ravens perspective. However, again, that takes not one iota away from the Titans, who as you mentioned were huge on 4th down and dominated the trenches the whole game

Jonnu is an extremely athletic TE. Does he make that play evey time? No. Is he more than capable of making that play? Yes. But that wasnt a Raven mistake, that was a great pass and catch by the Titans. That was a moment of the Titans outplaying you, not a moment of the Ravens beating themselves.

The Andrews pic is hard, he had an ankle injury, it was a high pass, but also catchable. So hard to comment on that type of play because it wasnt the best pass, but also a pass if he was fully healthy he might have made, who knows. But he wasnt fully healthy, and that is part of the game.
 

rossihunter2

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Jonnu is an extremely athletic TE. Does he make that play evey time? No. Is he more than capable of making that play? Yes. But that wasnt a Raven mistake, that was a great pass and catch by the Titans. That was a moment of the Titans outplaying you, not a moment of the Ravens beating themselves.

The Andrews pic is hard, he had an ankle injury, it was a high pass, but also catchable. So hard to comment on that type of play because it wasnt the best pass, but also a pass if he was fully healthy he might have made, who knows. But he wasnt fully healthy, and that is part of the game.

except that andrews pick you talk about - that was the reason the titans had that drive in the first place
 

cubs79

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I think by definition, the other team doesn't force drops (otherwise those would be PBUs). You take away the drops alone, keep the 4th down failures, and I still think you have a different ballgame. Of course, we will never know

There werent that many just flat out drops. Seth Roberts I believe had one, but most of those plays were contested. Even the Andrews pick was a poor pass. I think they found a way to bottle up Lamar more than most teams have found, and he didnt look great throwing, he just didnt.
 

Believe Dat

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Jonnu is an extremely athletic TE. Does he make that play evey time? No. Is he more than capable of making that play? Yes. But that wasnt a Raven mistake, that was a great pass and catch by the Titans. That was a moment of the Titans outplaying you, not a moment of the Ravens beating themselves.

The Andrews pic is hard, he had an ankle injury, it was a high pass, but also catchable. So hard to comment on that type of play because it wasnt the best pass, but also a pass if he was fully healthy he might have made, who knows. But he wasnt fully healthy, and that is part of the game.
Fair points, which is why I am stressing the volume. No one thing, just the amalgamation. From a Ravens perspective, all that could go wrong, from a self-inflicted perspective, did go wrong. Again, Titans played excellent football, they deserve all the credit for it. But it sure would be nice to see a more... accurate? true? A matchup where both teams play their best, basically
 

Believe Dat

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There werent that many just flat out drops. Seth Roberts I believe had one, but most of those plays were contested. Even the Andrews pick was a poor pass. I think they found a way to bottle up Lamar more than most teams have found, and he didnt look great throwing, he just didnt.
Lamar Jackson looked stressed the whole time, but there were an insane amount of drops and miscues. I'd encourage you to take a look, but the box score will have down probably 8 straight up drops, including ones with no contesting whatsoever
 

cubs79

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except that andrews pick you talk about - that was the reason the titans had that drive in the first place

That doesnt mean it wasnt a high pass to a guy with an ankle injury, and the defender made a play. It is easy to say if my team did this, or my team did that, we would have won, but that is what football is. The teams that make plays win, and again, I am honestly not trying to be a troll just commenting on the game, but one team was quite a bit better than the other tonight.
 

rossihunter2

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There werent that many just flat out drops. Seth Roberts I believe had one, but most of those plays were contested. Even the Andrews pick was a poor pass. I think they found a way to bottle up Lamar more than most teams have found, and he didnt look great throwing, he just didnt.

the broadcast during the 4th quarter literally showed a cut-up of all the ravens drops and by that point they had at least 6 different killer drops in that cut-up and we had more after that
 

cubs79

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Fair points, which is why I am stressing the volume. No one thing, just the amalgamation. From a Ravens perspective, all that could go wrong, from a self-inflicted perspective, did go wrong. Again, Titans played excellent football, they deserve all the credit for it. But it sure would be nice to see a more... accurate? true? A matchup where both teams play their best, basically

I understand your points, I just think a lot of the things that happened were caused by the Titans. I dont think the Ravens beat themselves, I think they got out played. And look, football is different than other sports. In a best of 7 series, who knows how it works out, but in this one game, I think the Titans were simply the better team.
 

rossihunter2

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That doesnt mean it wasnt a high pass to a guy with an ankle injury, and the defender made a play. It is easy to say if my team did this, or my team did that, we would have won, but that is what football is. The teams that make plays win, and again, I am honestly not trying to be a troll just commenting on the game, but one team was quite a bit better than the other tonight.

which defender made a play? byard caught a ball that went straight to him off a deflection that he was nowhere near...
 

rossihunter2

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That doesnt mean it wasnt a high pass to a guy with an ankle injury, and the defender made a play. It is easy to say if my team did this, or my team did that, we would have won, but that is what football is. The teams that make plays win, and again, I am honestly not trying to be a troll just commenting on the game, but one team was quite a bit better than the other tonight.

and i realise you're not trolling
 

Believe Dat

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That doesnt mean it wasnt a high pass to a guy with an ankle injury, and the defender made a play. It is easy to say if my team did this, or my team did that, we would have won, but that is what football is. The teams that make plays win, and again, I am honestly not trying to be a troll just commenting on the game, but one team was quite a bit better than the other tonight.
Serious question: did the Ravens play like the best version of themselves tonight? Did the Titans? I would have loved to see both teams show up and duke it out, but the Ravens never arrived
 

Believe Dat

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Serious question: did the Ravens play like the best version of themselves tonight? Did the Titans? I would have loved to see both teams show up and duke it out, but the Ravens never arrived
Separate to the Titans gameplanning or stifling anything, the Ravens just played fundamentally poorly
 

PurplePower

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Q the trolls to come in. LOL. It's painful, but what can you say. i really believe the biggest factor was rustiness after 3 weeks off. Yeah we needed the time to heal injured players but it was obviously not enough. Andrews played like shit and Ingram was a non factor due to their injuries. It was a perfect shitstorm of circumstances.
 

cubs79

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the broadcast during the 4th quarter literally showed a cut-up of all the ravens drops and by that point they had at least 6 different killer drops in that cut-up and we had more after that

Ok, but what does this mean? Did the drops prevent Henry for going for almost 200 yards? Did the drops prevent the pressure and sacks on Lamar? Drops are part of the game. A costly fumble or just dumb mistake I get, but my point is the Titans outplayed you, and they did. I dont understand how bring up drops supposedly defeats my point. You win games my making plays, and one team made more plays tonight.
 

cubs79

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which defender made a play? byard caught a ball that went straight to him off a deflection that he was nowhere near...

How is that not a play? Byard is probably the best safety in the league. Good players tend to make good plays, even if it is a lucky bounce or whatever.
 
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