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General Draft Thoughts

Sami84

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Our former scout Daniel Jeremiah firs mock draft is out and he got us selecting Kenneth Murray, iLB. I would be happy with this. He was the one who thought we should build a track team with Lamar at QB last year. We selected Hollywood, Boykin and hill. Maybe.. just maybe..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...iah-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-four-qbs-in-top-15

not sure about murray. struggles with blocks and I don't see him as a 3 down linebacker currently. I think we may need to focus more on Pass rush and IOL and WR before ILB. I'd prefer to get a sure thing like Joe Schobert, A pass rusher, draft WR and IOL.
 

Davesta

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not sure about murray. struggles with blocks and I don't see him as a 3 down linebacker currently. I think we may need to focus more on Pass rush and IOL and WR before ILB. I'd prefer to get a sure thing like Joe Schobert, A pass rusher, draft WR and IOL.

Yeah. His problem is shedding blocks atm. But it’s not like we’re picking top 10. At pick 28, every prospect will have some kind of flaw. Hopefully this one is reachable. His athleticism and quickness is what gets me excited about him
 

JoeyFlex5

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not sure about murray. struggles with blocks and I don't see him as a 3 down linebacker currently. I think we may need to focus more on Pass rush and IOL and WR before ILB. I'd prefer to get a sure thing like Joe Schobert, A pass rusher, draft WR and IOL.
I worry way more about his upright style and high tackling.

bulk and shedding can be achieved with fitness and coaching, but at this level you aren’t teaching a linebacker that the low man wins. TEs and bigger backs are gonna make light work of Murray for a long time.

if it wasn’t for that though I would like him
 

Grim

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Our former scout Daniel Jeremiah firs mock draft is out and he got us selecting Kenneth Murray, iLB. I would be happy with this. He was the one who thought we should build a track team with Lamar at QB last year. We selected Hollywood, Boykin and hill. Maybe.. just maybe..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...iah-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-four-qbs-in-top-15
That would be a Hell of a pick. There’s other guys I’d rather have, but Murray makes sense for us in a lot of ways. I would rather have Schobert as well just because he’s a known commodity and he can be had as a FA, allowing us to use more draft capital in the draft at other positions
 

Grim

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I was never opposed to taking elite LB early but would absolutely hate it this year.
1] we have far more bigger needs
2] He is nothing special
Yeah, I’d rather we go in another direction personally. That said, ILB is a massive need and having a guy like Murray would do wonders for our run defense allowing those massive yards. It’s one of the reasons we lost games this year. I would rather just sign Schobert though and use our draft capital elsewhere like at WR, edge, or IDL.
 

allblackraven

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Yeah, I’d rather we go in another direction personally. That said, ILB is a massive need and having a guy like Murray would do wonders for our run defense allowing those massive yards. It’s one of the reasons we lost games this year. I would rather just sign Schobert though and use our draft capital elsewhere like at WR, edge, or IDL.
I'd pass on Schobert, too. We need to spend money on D line and edge.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
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Our former scout Daniel Jeremiah firs mock draft is out and he got us selecting Kenneth Murray, iLB. I would be happy with this. He was the one who thought we should build a track team with Lamar at QB last year. We selected Hollywood, Boykin and hill. Maybe.. just maybe..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...iah-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-four-qbs-in-top-15

im seeing a lot of people who seem to be disliking murray on this thread - maybe i havent watched enough of him yet but at this point in time id be surprised if murray fell to 28 and also ecstatic that he made it to our pick - maybe im just missing something but id absolutely love this as our pick right now
 

Grim

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With better edge, our current LBs should be just fine, I reckon.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we need way better edge and that edge is our biggest priority. I just think we’ll need to get creative in solving all our problems. Better interior DL pressure & better edge play would mask our problems and so would better LB play. I don’t think we can fix edge and interior DL in one season. I think we could improve them to a better spot where we can mask our weaknesses. I hope Bowser and Ferguson take a step forward and we sign guys back for edge like Ward or McPhee or both and bring back Bynes and Ellis. If we can get Campbell (Hopefully cut?), and Shaq Lawson and Schobert in FA we would be great. I’d like to bring back Judon but I don’t think we have the money.

There’s just no way we can sign a high priced G, Stanley, Edge, interior defender, and LB in one offseason. Schobert interests me because he is a veteran and I think we’ve lost that on defense. If Murray is the best we have a chance to get to solve our defensive problems then I say go for it. If we can get better then I also say go for it.

I see the ideal 1st round picks as IDL, Edge, WR, ILB and the ideal 2nd round picks as WR, Edge, OL. The ideal 3rd round picks are WR still for me just due to how strong the class is, but I expect the class to get pilfered quickly.
 

Grim

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im seeing a lot of people who seem to be disliking murray on this thread - maybe i havent watched enough of him yet but at this point in time id be surprised if murray fell to 28 and also ecstatic that he made it to our pick - maybe im just missing something but id absolutely love this as our pick right now
I like Murray and I agree he would be great after watching limited film. I am pounding the table for an edge defender but if one isn’t there we can’t force it either. We could use lots of upgrades across both offensive and defensive lines. We could also use an upgrade across from Brown. I want the best player in the first round I don’t care about their position.
 

Davesta

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How high is Javon kinlaw projected to be? Interior Dline isn’t a sexy pick but he would be amazing for us
 

rossihunter2

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I like Murray and I agree he would be great after watching limited film. I am pounding the table for an edge defender but if one isn’t there we can’t force it either. We could use lots of upgrades across both offensive and defensive lines. We could also use an upgrade across from Brown. I want the best player in the first round I don’t care about their position.

absolutely - while id love an edge, i have a hard time foreseeing an edge being BPA at our pick in the 1st round and if a talent falls at another position then you do it no questions asked - we've got lots of places where we want to improve but we also have the luxury of going BPA assuming free agency isnt a complete clusterfuck
 

JoeyFlex5

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How high is Javon kinlaw projected to be? Interior Dline isn’t a sexy pick but he would be amazing for us
Javon kinlaw is a sexy pick and he’s pretty commonly regarded as a top 20 guy. Neville gallimore interests me every bit as much as kinlaw though
 

Grim

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How high is Javon kinlaw projected to be? Interior Dline isn’t a sexy pick but he would be amazing for us
Javon kinlaw is a sexy pick and he’s pretty commonly regarded as a top 20 guy. Neville gallimore interests me every bit as much as kinlaw though
I watched a few highlights and one game from Kinlaw but I liked what I saw. He could be a top-20 pick when it’s all said and done, possibly higher.
absolutely - while id love an edge, i have a hard time foreseeing an edge being BPA at our pick in the 1st round and if a talent falls at another position then you do it no questions asked - we've got lots of places where we want to improve but we also have the luxury of going BPA assuming free agency isnt a complete clusterfuck
That’s exactly how I feel. Murray wouldn’t be my favorite first round pick but he wouldn’t be terrible either. I just want an excellent player there regardless of position. I’ll be good if we take ILB, Edge, DL, OL, WR, and even RB but that would only be for Swift. I really hope we fix a few of those in FA so our draft can be pure BPA. Reaching on positions to fill needs killed us.
 

Sami84

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watched more of murray and its actually a firm no from me

i have him as a 2-3 round prospect.
 

Grim

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watched more of murray and its actually a firm no from me

i have him as a 2-3 round prospect.
I’d prefer we sign Schobert to drafting him, but what do you firmly dislike so much? Not asking rhetorically either. I think he’s a great prospect but has some major flags too.
 

Sami84

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I’d prefer we sign Schobert to drafting him, but what do you firmly dislike so much? Not asking rhetorically either. I think he’s a great prospect but has some major flags too.

I just dont think he's that much better of a prospect over what could be had in the later rounds and I don't want a maybe-ify player in our first round and that's what he is. I've nailed all our good and bad first round draft picks over the years ( when we selected) and this would be in the same category as michael oher.
 
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