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Sami84

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You are the one who doesn't read - I keep saying early lockdown. those who did it early will be left to deal with significantly smaller numbers, easier to manage after the lockdown ends.
In the early may, Sweden had only 7% of recovered people with antibodies developed. Yay for herd immunity.

Rather than blame the virus, blame yourself for not looking at your body as your responsbilty. Also, since when does herd immunity happen overnight? it'll take a substantial amount of time.

Humans, always in a rush while in nature, everything is accomplished if you understand how to build through it.
 

rossihunter2

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the reason why the numbers have gone down in italy with deaths and so forth is very very clear
they changed their treatment protcol.

I'm not in NY but I've heard hospitals are barren and some are being closed down.
The correlations don't add up.
More people are dying because of diabetes and heart disease ( 2000 times more) and yet covic 19 has special hospitals?
Crock of shite, mate.

it's almost like those things arent the same - 1 is a pandemic that is highly contagious and does serious damage in less than 3 weeks, the others are long-term conditions that are treatable and non-contagious

and wtf you talking about suggesting that there arent special hospitals for heart disease - there's tons of heart specialists all over the world...
 

Sami84

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it's almost like those things arent the same - 1 is a pandemic that is highly contagious and does serious damage in less than 3 weeks, the others are long-term conditions that are treatable and non-contagious

and wtf you talking about suggesting that there arent special hospitals for heart disease - there's tons of heart specialists all over the world...

get this through your head. it;s not a pandemic because

the number of cases are hardly remarkable compared to influenza which is an ancient virus
2: the death rates are in the 0.3-1% percentile and even less if there are no pre-existing conditions

repeat after me, a pandemic is when something unique on its own kills a substantial amount of healthy people with no pre-existing conditions at a rate that is remarkable compared to other causes of death
This would correlate with an annual/monthly/weekly rise in deaths of WELL ABOVE the averages in previous years

guess what....covid 19...in both lockdown and non lockdown countries has not affected the average even in a WEEK. in fact, in lots of countries the death rates are LESS pre covid 19 years
 

rossihunter2

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boom and that's where you don't understand science. You're banking everything of the V word.
Want to know why autism sky rocketed from 1989 onwards?
Anyhow, it's clear you follow the fauci/gallo model of big pharma medicine. No coronavirus will be effectivly reduced without long term issues and it won't even be effective in the long run. If you want to be injected with foreign substances and trace metals rather than fucking building an immune system that is intelligent and creates the antibodies the natural way, be my guest...your body your choice but government have no right to tell people life can only continue normally for them if they have a vaccine.

there are only 4-5 safe vaccines ever created..and hint ( none post 1986)

vaccines work, they have always worked and scaremongering about autism and vaccines and their unproven links is pretty awful tbh

it is unproven pseudo-science with only anecdotal proof based on the increase in autism diagnoses... the reason for those increased diagnoses (much like the increased diagnoses of mental health conditions and other disorders is that the criteria for diagnosis is clearer and broader than it has been historically as we have a better understanding of the conditions themselves)

it is disgusting that people 1) think of autism as a bad thing 2) suggest there's a link between autism and vaccines which remains completely unvalidated by any legitimate science

the only proven environmental risk factors (i.e. non-genetic) for autism are advanced parent age, pregnancy/birth complications and less than 1 year between births
 

rossihunter2

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Rather than blame the virus, blame yourself for not looking at your body as your responsbilty. Also, since when does herd immunity happen overnight? it'll take a substantial amount of time.

Humans, always in a rush while in nature, everything is accomplished if you understand how to build through it.

he's not saying 7% of the population
he's saying 7% of the population who contracted the virus...

at this rate, sweden will not reach a herd immunity number before a viable vaccine arrives - so they will have had meaningless and preventable deaths at a much higher rate than the rest of the world with no reward to show for it

just a younger population because this policy is basically euthanising the elderly
 

Sami84

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vaccines work, they have always worked and scaremongering about autism and vaccines and their unproven links is pretty awful tbh

it is unproven pseudo-science with only anecdotal proof based on the increase in autism diagnoses... the reason for those increased diagnoses (much like the increased diagnoses of mental health conditions and other disorders is that the criteria for diagnosis is clearer and broader than it has been historically as we have a better understanding of the conditions themselves)

it is disgusting that people 1) think of autism as a bad thing 2) suggest there's a link between autism and vaccines which remains completely unvalidated by any legitimate science

the only proven environmental risk factors (i.e. non-genetic) for autism are advanced parent age, pregnancy/birth complications and less than 1 year between births

now i know you havent watched a single video or read a single article stated in the videos regarding vaccines and autism as well as vaccine injuries.
I'm no longer willing to talk to someone who is determined to believe in something that has been disproven.

I've explained to you, top MIT PHD specialists have in videos and they have shown ALL the papers in the videos and yet you're here and still arguing.

I'm done, Rossi. You go inject yourself and all your kids/family with vaccines.
 

Sami84

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Rossi,

like I said, Influenza was a far deadlier killer than covid 19 when it first came on to the scene
we didn't need a vaccine
wake up.

if you think vaccine injury and autism is a myth then maybe i should introduce you to 5 families i've been helping over the years who had children who were permenantly damaged right after having a vaccine.

Would you like them to send you an email? Give me your email as you won't listen to any of the hundreds of doctors ive sent you videos of.
 

Sami84

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at the end of the day if you WANT the vaccine, go for it!

but dont you dare say it's the solution for us all.
 

rossihunter2

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now i know you havent watched a single video or read a single article stated in the videos regarding vaccines and autism as well as vaccine injuries.
I'm no longer willing to talk to someone who is determined to believe in something that has been disproven.

I've explained to you, top MIT PHD specialists have in videos and they have shown ALL the papers in the videos and yet you're here and still arguing.

I'm done, Rossi. You go inject yourself and all your kids/family with vaccines.

you need to look up the history yourself - peddling anti-vax nonsense

the first paper about any link between autism and vaccines was published in 1998 - it had only 12 children in the study and there were so many problems with how it was conducted that the journal that initially released the paper retracted it for bad scientific method - in fact the research was tampered with because a lawyer looking for a link between the vaccine and autism paid the lead researcher nearly £500k

but what is interesting is that 12+ follow up papers were instigated to investigate this supposed link and they all came up with a negative correlation

here is the largest study ever done (over 600,000 children over more than 10 years) and it concludes the same as every other peer-reviewed study done since the 1998 paper in lancet (that was retracted)

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101

it emphatically concludes there is no link between autism and vaccinations

there are numerous other studies - i cant believe for a 2nd you've read any reputable study at all about vaccines because otherwise you wouldnt be spouting this nonsense about links etc.

you keep suggesting im brainwashed etc. but sami you truly are a sheep
 

Sami84

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you need to look up the history yourself - peddling anti-vax nonsense

the first paper about any link between autism and vaccines was published in 1998 - it had only 12 children in the study and there were so many problems with how it was conducted that the journal that initially released the paper retracted it for bad scientific method - in fact the research was tampered with because a lawyer looking for a link between the vaccine and autism paid the lead researcher nearly £500k

but what is interesting is that 12+ follow up papers were instigated to investigate this supposed link and they all came up with a negative correlation

here is the largest study ever done (over 600,000 children over more than 10 years) and it concludes the same as every other peer-reviewed study done since the 1998 paper in lancet (that was retracted)

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101

it emphatically concludes there is no link between autism and vaccinations

there are numerous other studies - i cant believe for a 2nd you've read any reputable study at all about vaccines because otherwise you wouldnt be spouting this nonsense about links etc.

you keep suggesting im brainwashed etc. but sami you truly are a sheep
You can PM me from now on. I've stated what needs to be stated but I'm fully aware that some people are too indoctrinated with corporate science being the truth rather than true science.

Don't bother with google, certain ''independent but not really independent'' medical publishing sites that are run by corporations or youtube as they are run by corporate science.

I've said my part on here. It's clear that nothing i can say will change your mind or even open your mind to questioning what you deem ''unquesitonable''
 

allblackraven

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Rather than blame the virus, blame yourself for not looking at your body as your responsbilty. Also, since when does herd immunity happen overnight? it'll take a substantial amount of time.

Humans, always in a rush while in nature, everything is accomplished if you understand how to build through it.
You are confusing taking care of ones body as a cure for everything, typical holistic approach.

As for herd immunity. How long does it take? How many old and health compromised people are you willing to sacrifice? Cause, you know they are someone's families. This is somehow democracy and giving your name and number in the shop so spread can be traced faster isn't? Maybe you didn't know - there's that thing called credit card. When they want to know where you've been, they will know.
 

Sami84

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LOL...and you posted the most corporate friendly study ever and even the response to it took the words right out of my mouth

Misleading conclusion
Both the control group and the study have previously received a cokctail of vaccines: DTaP-IPV/Hib by 12 months of age. Obviously, if some or all of the vaccines in the cocktail caused autism in susceptible kids, by the time the MMR is adminsitered all the susceptible kids would already be autistic and the extra MMR wouldn't affect much the incidence in the study group relative to the control group. Therefore the correct conclusion would be that "Later MMR vaccination does not increase the risk in comparison to a cocktail of previously administered vaccines". By omitting this last point from the conclusion the reader is misled into believing that the MMR vaccine has been proven safe in absolute terms, that is, compared to lack of vaccination. By making a grand universal statement that "MMR vaccination does not increase the risk for autism, does not trigger autism in susceptible children, and is not associated with clustering of autism cases after vaccination" the authors unduly extapolate their observations to unvaccinated subjects. Lawmakers maybe mislead into taking wrong decisions affecting public health.
 

Sami84

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Bro, you go do your vaccines. If you would like to speak to some family members who have been damaged by vaccines and tell them that they're assholes for blaming vaccines, you can reach me via PM.
 

Sami84

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We'll agree to disagree. Your body your choice

if you want more answers or more conviction i'm more than willing to take you to families IN PERSON...of course if you're not terrified of covid 19
 

Ellicottraven

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oh my. You dont seem to understand how EMF works. It's not overnight, the negative health impact is cumulative/long term. It's not going to kill people in 12 months lmao

If the lockdown ''worked'' then chances are NO Lockdown would have worked better! ie no slowing down of the economy.

Naivety of the highest order.

I have thousands of papers and petitions from over 2000 scientists to stop the installment of 5G. I signed plenty of the petitions as well. As well as from over 2000 engineers . Would you like me to send you the full proof science?
Hey @Sami84 what in the world are you talking about with 5G? I am more confused than ever... Is there some insinuation of a connection between 5G and COVID-19? I hope that isn't what you mean right?
 

Sami84

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr:

Uniting Healthcare Professionals Against Mandatory Vaccination

“Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017.

In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines.

In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a trial of a GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,049 children.

During Gates 2002 MenAfriVac Campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Between 50-500 children developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, "We are guinea pigs for drug makers".

Nelson Mandela's formar Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates' philantropic practises as "ruthless" and immoral".

In 2010, Gates committed $ 10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines "could reduce population". In 2014, Kenya's Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phony "tetanus" vaccine campaign.

Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade. Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgensen et.Al.2017) showed that WHO's popular DTP is killing more African than the disease it pretends to prevent. Vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of unvaccinated children.
Gates and the WHO refused to recall the lethal vaccine which WHO forces upon millions of African children annually.
Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of - hijacking WHO's agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases; clean water, hygiene, nutrition and economic development. They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal fetish - that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philantropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and PATH, Gates funds private pharmaceutical companies that manifacture vaccines, and a massive network of pharmaceutical -industry front groups that broadcast deceptive propaganda, develop fraudulent studies, conduct surveillance and psychological operations against vaccine hesitancy and use Gates' power and money to silence dissent and coerce compliance.

In this recent nonstop Pharmedia appearances, Gates appears gleeful that the Covid-19 crisis will give him the opportunity to force his third-world vaccine programs on American children."

Robert F. Kennedy Jr

AND GUESS WHAT...
GATES COULDNT SUE HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN"T LIE!
 

Sami84

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Hey @Sami84 what in the world are you talking about with 5G? I am more confused than ever... Is there some insinuation of a connection between 5G and COVID-19? I hope that isn't what you mean right?

look at all the attchments i posted. There is no direct connection but there is the potential for peoples health to decline and their immunity to decline due to 5G.
 

rossihunter2

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cool - now that sami has graciously departed im going to post some links to peer-reviewed reputable scientific studies about vaccines just so everyone can read the actual science for themselves (if they are confused or unsure how to feel about vaccines):

Vaccines and autism
  1. Danish study of over 600,000 children over 10 years: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101 - conclusion - no links between vaccine and autism in children
  2. a 2nd study examining if there are links between inoculations and autism: https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf?ext=.pdf - conclusion - no links between vaccine and autism in children
  3. you can buy this for $50 if you're super worried https://www.nap.edu/catalog/10997/immunization-safety-review-vaccines-and-autism - but it only says basically the same as every other study that there's no link between vaccines and autism
  4. here is a list of studies sponsored by the CDC to investigate any link between certain ingredients (specifically the mercury based thimerosal that was taken out of all vaccines by 2001) in the link it summarises the findings of all 9 studies https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/pdf/cdcstudiesonvaccinesandautism.pdf - conclusion - not 1 study linked the ingredient to autism

as far as any other concerns may go im not sure what else there is to debunk
there's an odd claim by someone called kauffman that a vaccine might change your genetic code but that's completely false and non-feasible

normal vaccines dont do anything to your genetic code or DNA and DNA vaccines are 1) not currently used in humans (only animals) and 2) still dont alter your genetic code - they just stimulate your body to create antibodies for a strain without your body being in contact with that strain (like a normal vaccine)

not even really sure where that claim came from in the first place
 

rossihunter2

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Hey @Sami84 what in the world are you talking about with 5G? I am more confused than ever... Is there some insinuation of a connection between 5G and COVID-19? I hope that isn't what you mean right?

there are no links between 5g and covid-19 - one of the main proponents of that theory has apologised

there are however concerns about 5g because of it's frequency being the same as oxygen (can detect small attenuations/vibrations in oxygen particles in the air because of the frequency) - the effect is thought to be minor and not harmful to the body at all but has not been studied fully yet so there have been no conclusions
 
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