sounds like the deal mentions very specifically a suspension (and not fines) as reasoning so our best bet is that someone signs him for 10m or whatever and it wipes out the need to file the grievance in the first place
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except that's a bit of a misrepresentation of the situation because we clearly did have a problem a few days ago its just that the fans and media didnt really know about it yet
really nice seeing in particular at training camp that these sets of players are literally always next to each other:
Calais Campbell and Justin Madubuike
DJ Fluker and Tyre Phillips
always practicing with each other, always next to each other - young guys latching onto vets to learn from and vets taking those guys under their wing
Calais Campbell and Justin Madubuike
DJ Fluker and Tyre Phillips
always practicing with each other, always next to each other - young guys latching onto vets to learn from and vets taking those guys under their wing
no the grievance would still be useful for the other guarantees in his contract beyond this years salary
I don't think we have much claim to the signing bonus at this point. Only guarantee left that is unpaid is his 2020 base salary so that's really the only battle.
thank you for clarifying
i think only the bonus is left beyond the guaranteed salary this year and because that's already been paid out and been pro-rated we cant do anything about it unless somewhere there's language saying he needs to pay some of it back (which is basically impossible)
I think it's a good sign for the player leadership that the issues didnt get leaked or publicly aired and it was all kept in house. Either that or the team is lying and/or exaggerating to justify cutting Earl. The team is definitely worse off financially and on-the-field, so I assume they felt they didn't really have a choice.
So a little more clarity on the grievance/offset stuff from Brian McFarland...
Once the grievance is officially filed, 40% of it ($4M in our case) goes to the dead cap. So we'll save $6M on this year's cap no matter what. If the grievance is successful and it's determined that we do owe Earl that money, it would hit in 2021. If we win the grievance, there's a $4M credit on the 2021 cap.
Regarding the offset language, that's a little trickier. While whatever he signs for elsewhere would be subtracted from the $10M, that won't be subtracted immediately. It sounds like we won't know the extent of offsets until after the season. My one question would be if a guaranteed base salary from another team could change that process a little bit. Basically, no immediate cap gains here.
Once the grievance is officially filed, 40% of it ($4M in our case) goes to the dead cap. So we'll save $6M on this year's cap no matter what. If the grievance is successful and it's determined that we do owe Earl that money, it would hit in 2021. If we win the grievance, there's a $4M credit on the 2021 cap.
Regarding the offset language, that's a little trickier. While whatever he signs for elsewhere would be subtracted from the $10M, that won't be subtracted immediately. It sounds like we won't know the extent of offsets until after the season. My one question would be if a guaranteed base salary from another team could change that process a little bit. Basically, no immediate cap gains here.
if we were in preseason games he'd be hardly playing so i think the fact that he's been there every day is probably just needing rest especially in this period - he did the first 3 padded practices and now we'll start to generally see more vet days i expect
it also allows guys like mcsorely and huntley to get more reps with better talent (which is helpful especially when we're down at TE and WR)
yeah i was just reading that too - my guess is that unless a team guarantees any of his salary this year we won't see any immediate relief (outside of the potential 6m while the grievance is disputed) until the end of the year because as mcfarland, and others, have stated offset stuff is tallied against what's actually made by the player not the 17 week number
either way it's a potential boost to the 2021 cap when there might be a significant drop and it might help us out then
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Unfortunately that’s the long and short of it. You don’t get to this point without earning it.
weird that marcus peters is there but not participating lol - and yet there he is with the dbs literally passing them the ball helping out on the drills lol
bit odd
bit odd
Now to determine how risky they want to be. Do you not spend any of that $6M in hopes of rolling that over to 2021 if you lose the grievance? Or do you get risky, spend it to get someone we might not be able to afford otherwise, and take a chance that the additional $6M is added to our 2021 dead money?
just catching up - lots has been said about many players doing well this camp including proche and queen as rookies and obviously hollywood and lamar etc.
but dobbins has been the star of this camp - i dont want to say it too loud just in case its just getting drawn in by training camp stuff but i think we might have found something special in dobbins