Tank
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yep, they go hand in hand. But it all starts at the LOS. The Ravens were owned in the trenches the last two games and it wasn't even close.
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Perriman and WR Hype
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BloodRaven
Pro Bowler
Our run to pass ratio is relatively even this season
gtalk12
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you're right, however passing on 1st down for no gain and then deciding to run on 2nd makes no sense. one has to give, we should be running the ball 2 straight plays, make it easier on our OL and give them the green light to push forward.
If you feel like the OL is weak, this is the best way to get them going.
the problem is that this is our formula on every single set of 3 downs pretty much - run, screen/gadget play/another run, pass short of the sticks
gtalk12
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even when we ran the ball well, the decide to get cute. We really need to see what Alex Collins can do with consistent touches.....he may be able to move the chains and allow us to run play action and help Flacco and the receivers
Chris Moore hype train? He looked great IMO. What we wish Perriwomam could be
ravenslord
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chris moore not the speedster we would want from perriman
has similar levels of ball repulsion from his hands as perriman
not as good at running routes
that being said he somehow looks more productive but that of course could simply be a product of opportunity and flacco have literally no one to throw to outside of moore, camp and whalen
To be fair, if we're addressing logical fallacies, what follows your initial assessment is ironically nonsensical. Hindsight evaluations are predicated upon having information that you otherwise could not have had during the decision making process, which occurred in the present. For example, Len Bias' tragic passing after being selected at No.2 makes the selection itself empty. That being said, it doesn't necessitate the selection being a poor one on Boston's behalf when it was made. The fact that the decisions occur in the present quite literally means that they can't be done in hindsight. This is outright paradoxical. The more appropriate term here is foresight. For example, that Johnny Manziel's partying issues were very much a public spectacle should've given Cleveland the foresight that the troubles may spill over or even worsen at the NFL level. Their FO took the risk and paid the price. The same goes for Dallas drafting Randy Gregory in the early rounds. Foresight has limitations that are reasonably confined within the knowledge available on hand.
You are correct in that the FOs responsibility is to look good in hindsight; however, the issue taken doesn't lie with simply making hindsight assessments. They are innately inescapable. It's about how they're used, not their existence, and the Millen example misses the point entirely. The issue with relying heavily on such analysis is that, by it's own nature, it's significantly easier than real-time analysis. In addition, it isn't unequivocally paralleled with what the best options were and if they were taken and any prolonged dependency on hindsight may incite a tendency of glazing over the variables. The Joe Flacco contract is a prime example of such. At the very time, I personally wasn't enthralled with the figures. It was difficult not to be on board with Flacco as a fixture and a future starter, but the contract was inflated because of the unsustainable postseason success. I was at first disappointed in that he wasn't extended prior to the SuperBowl winning campaign, which may be an even better case, but that point also falls victim to being a potentially unfair hindsight criticism. Probability wise, can I blame the FO for perhaps not expecting Flacco to put forth historical numbers at the end of his final contracted season? Not by much. It was a fairly reasonable bet of an over/under going into that season. Do we win the SuperBowl if Flacco isn't in his contract season? Perhaps so, but the lack of a deal could've been a motivational factor. We could've played hardball with Flacco at the end of the season. We could've even declined to sign him. But what did the options look like at the time? Were we reasonably uncomfortable as a perennially winning team with a newly added SuperBowl win to turn the keys over to Tyrod Taylor, someone I'm very much a fan of? Likely so, as we'd be rolling with a player who flashed in the preseason but didn't look nearly ready in the finale of that very same campaign against Cincinatti over a player who carried the team to its trophy. It doesn't mean that the alternatives couldn't have worked, but it also wasn't void of reason. If you chose to pass, how do you mediate the astronomical chances of immediately turning off future FA suitors and lowering the morale of the current players? As a player considering signing with Baltimore, you've watched the FO draft a QB in the 1st, and after he just thrived in the postseason at 27, you find out that they didn't think enough of him to be worthy enough of a top-tier contract. With that in mind, why would you expect them to consider you to be worthy enough of your market value? From my personal standpoint, I thought that given its inflation due to a stretch with unsustainable numbers and the probability of the level of play somewhat plateauing instead, it was a deal that was likely to disappoint to some degree, but I could at least empathize and understand why it happened given the variables.
It's these types of details that get lost in the shuffle when the situation is oversimplified in hindsight on a pass/fail basis, and that's my biggest issue. It's the same as whenever someone comments that we should've traded up or down for a specific player despite us not knowing whether or not it was even possible. It's not an entirely fruitless point, but it's also a surmising interpretation that could be well off the mark. There are definitely situations that are clear enough to warrant consistent criticism or praise, there's no question there. I thought we had enough resources and needs at their respective positions to land Zach Brown this offseason or Casey Hayward a few seasons prior. I can continue to hang up on those, although even they are somewhat muddied in the uncertainty of whether either of them considered us as their ideal landing spot. I could name multiple players over the past few seasons whom I would've preferred for us to draft over their counterparts who've arguably outperformed the latter to this point, which would be fair. We've made some moves in recent years that have merited valid criticisms from the get-go, and we should continue voicing them so long as they are within reason. But any approach that hinges on the portrayal of every scenario as black and white comes off as a blatantly misguided misrepresentation aided by the benefit of hindsight analysis. And it's worsened further when coupled with the absence of elaboration on any personal missteps.
I think Moore has the skills to be a good legit #3 receiver, he is well-rounded guy with decent skills. Perriman just doesn't have any skills besides speed imo. I like Moore, he has passion. It was cool seeing someone care when we were losing (vs the Vikings, jumping on that fumble, catching the TD.) where nearly everyone else just moped around. Just keep throwing him the ball.
Sooky
MVP
I mean I knew the Ravens receivers weren't going to be as good this season... But I didn't think the receivers would be THIS bad. I know it is their job to hype up fans but man sometimes I want to punch Mink in the face for his preseason predictions.
gtalk12
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my question is, how is it possible that EVERYONE is regressing
ravenslord
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Coaching
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Did you forget about Whalen already? Or Escobar?
Most throws would be checkdowns to Buck though.
3y short of a scrimmage line.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
How could I forget about those three superstars?
How could I forget about those three superstars?
flacco's best chemistry though is with the turf
Unfortunately this is all so true