Welcome to Baltimore: Jaylon Ferguson and Miles Boykin

[Sami84]

Fwiw we've been pretty good at getting high comp picks out of our OLB players. Kruger, McPhee, Z Smith, Upshaw, Arthur Jones-ish. So they are not total busts

the best player on that list is McPhee. The rest are meh

yes, Za'darius was a scheme guy. Upshaw was a bust. Arthur jones had 1 decent year, same with kruger.

for me, players who onoy have 1 good year are busts

so that makes McPhee the only good player on this list.

Krueger and Za'darius in 2nd and 3rd but to say they were anything other than that which nearly all teams have had every 3-4 years would be a lie.

 

[Sami84]

Fergusons sack numbers are inflated a lot by him simply walking into sacks.
Plays way too high.
Run defense is meh

I havent seen him beat 1 double team

im low on this pick.Think it's our worst pick of the draft. watched enough.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Notice how none of those players were first rounders.

That’s been the problem, we’ve taken Suggs for granted but to suggest that it’s been entirely neglect is stupid. Ferguson likely isn’t going to be a full time edge guy. Hes a chess piece for Wink which is why I’m okay with the pick. He’s effectively a Za’Darius replacement. Not a Suggs one.

Them drafting him kind of shows me that they have the utmost confidence in Tim Williams.... or misguided confidence in Bowser.

Nonetheless. OLB will be a need next year. Paying Judon would be foolish

 

[Charm City]

the best player on that list is McPhee. The rest are meh

yes, Za'darius was a scheme guy. Upshaw was a bust. Arthur jones had 1 decent year, same with kruger.

for me, players who onoy have 1 good year are busts

so that makes McPhee the only good player on this list.

Krueger and Za'darius in 2nd and 3rd but to say they were anything other than that which nearly all teams have had every 3-4 years would be a lie.

I'm definitely not saying they were homerun selections, but you can't really call them busts either. As long as our day 3 picks contribute and replenish our draft capital by recouping comp selections I will be happy, whether or not they had a single good year, were scheme guys, etc.

 

[MarkAndrewsOurSavior]

Notice how none of those players were first rounders.

That’s been the problem, we’ve taken Suggs for granted but to suggest that it’s been entirely neglect is stupid. Ferguson likely isn’t going to be a full time edge guy. Hes a chess piece for Wink which is why I’m okay with the pick. He’s effectively a Za’Darius replacement. Not a Suggs one.

Them drafting him kind of shows me that they have the utmost confidence in Tim Williams.... or misguided confidence in Bowser.

Nonetheless. OLB will be a need next year. Paying Judon would be foolish

If we can lock judon up now for around 10-12m a year ill be all for it with the way free agency is inflating and how much cap we have next year

 

[Oldfaithful]

If we can lock judon up now for around 10-12m a year ill be all for it with the way free agency is inflating and how much cap we have next year

I’d rather have the comp pick

 

[Edgar]

when i saw `khalil Mack at buffalo ( small school etc) I was like wow, this guy is a no brainer. he brought it every play, run and pass. Nothing went by him. He looked powerful and had bend. It was a no brainer that this guy was legit. Heck he had 100 tackles in his junior and senior year.

With ferguson, if you're hoping for a Za'Darius or judon caliber player then yes..
if you're hoping for a consisent 10 sack a year guy

nope. Unless he has untapped athletic potential.

Now if he get's a bit more bend...we could be talking tamba hali. That is his ceiling if he can improve his bend because his hand work is elite and he does have the right size and length.

this will come down to coaching and player determination

I don't get comparing a #5 overall player to Ferguson. Not sure where that is coming from.

 

[Oldfaithful]

I don't get comparing a #5 overall player to Ferguson. Not sure where that is coming from.

If the player we draft isn’t a future potential all pro it’s a wasted pick in his eyes.

For a guy who claims to be smarter than most GMs that’s a terrible team building philosophy

 

[Edgar]

Comparing Turd to Judon is literally apples to Oranges, I've had the thought for awhile. Turd is more of a ZDS mold pass rusher... Which holds a lot of value on this defense. Make no mistake, he's not Suggs' replacement, because you can't replace Suggs.

Turd is more polished, and was just plain better than Smith coming out of school. If we try to force Turd to be a full time edge guy rather than platoon him, he's going to suffer. But if we use Ferguson correctly, he'll be a key contributor, which in the third round is a good get.

Judon is replaceable, sorry. He's overrated here. I'd sign Ansah and trade Judon while we still can.

Ansah isn't close to Judon. Not close. He may or may not bring sack production but he is a straight up liability everywhere else. Judon is a much better football player by a mile and the idea of replacing him with Ansah is not a good one. Perhaps bringing him in additionally might be an idea.

 

[Edgar]

If the player we draft isn’t a future potential all pro it’s a wasted pick in his eyes.

For a guy who claims to be smarter than most GMs that’s a terrible team building philosophy

Im not sure how closely some of us watch to form our own opinion (which might be wrong), as opposed to listening to experts and reading scouting reports that allow us to form an opinion.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Ansah isn't close to Judon. Not close. He may or may not bring sack production but he is a straight up liability everywhere else. Judon is a much better football player by a mile and the idea of replacing him with Ansah is not a good one. Perhaps bringing him in additionally might be an idea.

Pass rush is the name of the game. Ansah is way better. Even if he’s a pass rushing specialist Judon’s is significantly overvalued and overrated as a pass rusher.

If Ansah can still pin his ears back and get to the QB he’s more valuable than Judon. Ansah helps the pass rush be less manufactured.

Judon is replicable. I’ll take the comp pick over him and don’t want to give him a dime.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Want to replace Judon? Trade him and sign Nick Perry, nick Perry is the same damn type of player when he’s healthy.

 

[Edgar]

Pass rush is the name of the game. Ansah is way better. Even if he’s a pass rushing specialist Judon’s is significantly overvalued and overrated as a pass rusher.

If Ansah can still pin his ears back and get to the QB he’s more valuable than Judon. Ansah helps the pass rush be less manufactured.

Judon is replicable. I’ll take the comp pick over him and don’t want to give him a dime.

I'm ok with that if that's what the FO decided.
I'm just NOT replacing him with Ansah.

 

[Sami84]

Want to replace Judon? Trade him and sign Nick Perry, nick Perry is the same damn type of player when he’s healthy.

isn't perry getting on a bit?

 

[Oldfaithful]

isn't perry getting on a bit?

Just turned 29. Who cares? Hell he doesn’t even count against the comp pick formula. One year deal

 

[Charm City]

Pass rush is the name of the game. Ansah is way better. Even if he’s a pass rushing specialist Judon’s is significantly overvalued and overrated as a pass rusher.

If Ansah can still pin his ears back and get to the QB he’s more valuable than Judon. Ansah helps the pass rush be less manufactured.

Judon is replicable. I’ll take the comp pick over him and don’t want to give him a dime.

We are not a 4-3 hybrid where we have designated DE pass rushers whose only job is getting to the QB. We are a 3-4 hybrid with two OLBs, one of which may be designated to rush on a rotating basis. If Ansah steps on the field it will be as one of the 3 lineman rather than as an OLB because he cannot pass cover like Judon can.

 

[Oldfaithful]

We are not a 4-3 hybrid where we have designated DE pass rushers whose only job is getting to the QB. We are a 3-4 hybrid with two OLBs, one of which may be designated to rush on a rotating basis. If Ansah steps on the field it will be as one of the 3 lineman rather than as an OLB because he cannot pass cover like Judon can.

We have Tyus Bowser who’s not a bad run defender or bad in coverage. We’d be FINE

 

[Charm City]

We have Tyus Bowser who’s not a bad run defender or bad in coverage. We’d be FINE

You're either not understanding my argument or being sarcastic. The OLB must be able to RUSH and COVER. Ansah rushes only, Tyus covers only, Judon does BOTH. So in our system they would play 3/5T, ILB, and OLB respectively.

 

[Oldfaithful]

You're either not understanding my argument or being sarcastic. The OLB must be able to RUSH and COVER. Ansah rushes only, Tyus covers only, Judon does BOTH. So in our system they would play 3/5T, ILB, and OLB respectively.

Not if he’s essentially a pass rushing specialist.

This fan base needs to get over their love affair with Judon. He’s a great story, I get that. He’s a good football player who’s streaky at best and hilariously inconsistent. You could adaquately replace a lot of his duties with Bowser, Ferguson, and you’d get a massive upgrade as a pass rusher with Ansah.

It won’t happen, and we are probably going to overpay Judon. But it is what it is.

I hope he proves me wrong and becomes more consistent but I doubt it

 

[cdp]

Not if he’s essentially a pass rushing specialist.

This fan base needs to get over their love affair with Judon. He’s a great story, I get that. He’s a good football player who’s streaky at best and hilariously inconsistent. You could adaquately replace a lot of his duties with Bowser, Ferguson, and you’d get a massive upgrade as a pass rusher with Ansah.

It won’t happen, and we are probably going to overpay Judon. But it is what it is.

I hope he proves me wrong and becomes more consistent but I doubt it

People are right Judon can do more for you, but you said it right. You need to provide pass rush on a consistent basis and that's what Ansah does (if healthy again). Judon might be your guy if you want to drop him back into coverage every once in a while, but it's not like Judon's really good in coverage. in my eyes he's not a liability in coverage nothing more, nothing less.