JoeyFlex5
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ESPN had a short sequence before day 3 that said something like 60% or more starters were day 3 picks. Can’t remember the exact thing but it basically said a majority of the leagues quality play comes from day 3
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Welcome to Baltimore: Jaylon Ferguson and Miles Boykin
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allblackraven
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That's just a numbers logic - teams get about that many players on day 3
JoeyFlex5
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I know lol but it’s interesting that the hit rate on day 3 is much higher than one would expect and days 1 and 2 much lower
RaineV1
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I don't think the hit rate is higher. It's just that the raw numbers are higher. The percentage of successes from day 3 is smaller, but there's like five times the number of picks on day 3 vs day 1. Simply a case of a small percentage of large number being larger than a big percentage of a small number.
Ravensnation5220
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Common statistics flaw....sample sizes
JoeyFlex5
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Didn’t say it was a higher hit rate in day 3 compared to day 1, just higher than one would expect
Italian Raven
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he's also sneaky fast on tape, however his long striding makes it look like he is slower than he actually is. Agree that he is most likely a possession guy. He has very good hands as well. I liked Harmon a lot, but lets not forget that Harmon had way too many body catches.
Italian Raven
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man, it´s hard to get an idea of someone´s getoff and general playing speed if the videos are uploaded at 1.5x the RL speed (I´m particular referring to the Ferguson tape vs SouthAla).
Why tf would one even do that
Why tf would one even do that
did you see the google doc I sent you?
Italian Raven
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yessir! problem is that some specific games have an uploaded speed which is totally unrealistic and might deform your perception of some plays.
I had to watch it at 0.75x
I´m on to the next one now
@JoeyFlex5 - i realise this is just one clip and that it doesnt happen on every snap but here's evidence that jaylon CAN bend not that he does all the time but he has the physical agility to do it and get low and maintain balance
https://twitter.com/GrindingTheTape/status/1093313105059303424
https://twitter.com/GrindingTheTape/status/1093313105059303424
JoeyFlex5
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I have seen him do it before but more often than not he looks so labored and lumbering around the edge. He’s got a solid jump and it’s really disappointing to see him win the snap and then fail to bend. He’s so hit or miss with it.
I wonder if he drops or gains weight in the nfl. If he loses I think his bend becomes substantially better but his best asset is bull rush and if he loses that he’s fucked. I’m just gonna hold out hope for him and hope that decosta sees potential in him that I don’t
i think he put the weight on to try and prove to teams that he could be something that he's not and that he'll lose some of that extra weight he gained and be better for it
JoeyFlex5
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saw boykins stanford tape for the first time..
lets just say if i watched THIS tape before we took him, i probably wouldnt have questioned the pick. that kind of takeover game is what i needed to make me see him as more than a mid day 3 guy, he really showed some shit in that game.
if cullen can harness that and get him to do it consistently then he could be something special. he absolutely shit on stanford.
one thing i notice he does very well other than catch a ball midair while dbs bounce off of him like flies, is change direction with no indication at all, his breaks dont look sharp, but they are. he has no hip dropping or foot chopping, he is in full sprint within 2-3 steps and it always looks like some sort of go route, and he will just break sharp at 45 degrees or more without slowing down at all. its hard to see honestly because the strides and forward lean make everything look slow and half assed, but the more you watch the more it stands out, you start to notice how dbs are jumping him after his breaks and they never get to anticipate and beat him to the ball.
hes growing on me.
lets just say if i watched THIS tape before we took him, i probably wouldnt have questioned the pick. that kind of takeover game is what i needed to make me see him as more than a mid day 3 guy, he really showed some shit in that game.
if cullen can harness that and get him to do it consistently then he could be something special. he absolutely shit on stanford.
one thing i notice he does very well other than catch a ball midair while dbs bounce off of him like flies, is change direction with no indication at all, his breaks dont look sharp, but they are. he has no hip dropping or foot chopping, he is in full sprint within 2-3 steps and it always looks like some sort of go route, and he will just break sharp at 45 degrees or more without slowing down at all. its hard to see honestly because the strides and forward lean make everything look slow and half assed, but the more you watch the more it stands out, you start to notice how dbs are jumping him after his breaks and they never get to anticipate and beat him to the ball.
hes growing on me.
Ravensnation5220
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I noticed on his film that he was much more productive when Book was his qb
Sami84
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this draft is filled with boom/bust.
There is a reason why teams passed on Ferguson.There is a reason why PFF ranked him 164 on their big board.
I've watched all his snaps vs FAU just now and have come away underwhelmed
lots of his plays/stats come from gimmes. Reminds me of Elams interceptions at florida, they were nothing to do with talent..just walked into them.
I'd have traded up for chase W. You're getting a very high floor there at least.
There is a reason why teams passed on Ferguson.There is a reason why PFF ranked him 164 on their big board.
I've watched all his snaps vs FAU just now and have come away underwhelmed
lots of his plays/stats come from gimmes. Reminds me of Elams interceptions at florida, they were nothing to do with talent..just walked into them.
I'd have traded up for chase W. You're getting a very high floor there at least.
JoeyFlex5
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I’m not a ferguson fan and I would’ve killed to trade up for winovich, but I can’t agree on your assessment that he walked into sacks. A lot of his sacks were impressive, not in a sense that he’s showing quality nfl traits, but impressive in the sense that he’s kicking the shit outta opponents with brute force
Sami84
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Oh don't get me wrong there were some impressive bullrushes vs UTEP and LSU but what's sold ferguson was his production AT A LOWER TIER of competition.
When that's the case, every sack or TFL counts. The truth is that sometimes I wonder if PFF have a better eye for things than our scouting department.
I feel we got lazy in this draft. Lets just take the all time leader in sacks even though he was mauled in the one on one drills, tested poorly and can only bullrush.
When that's the case, every sack or TFL counts. The truth is that sometimes I wonder if PFF have a better eye for things than our scouting department.
I feel we got lazy in this draft. Lets just take the all time leader in sacks even though he was mauled in the one on one drills, tested poorly and can only bullrush.