The 2020 Offseason Thread

[rmcjacket23]

the problem here is that Hill might be the starting gunner so it might be hard to keep him off the actives list - but then do you deactivate gus? that doesnt feel like something we'll do often...

Its a thought. I'm not really a "Gus is great" guy. I think most teams have a back just like him on their roster already, and I think he does well because of the system he plays in.

That being said, he's probably a lot more comparable to what Ingram does than what Dobbins does, so who knows. It just feels pretty strange to have like upwards of close to 10% of your gameday roster allocated to the RB position, if you include Ricard in with that group. Its not impossible, but then I think you're going back to having another WR or Safety inactive. Could be the difference in whether Duvernay or Proche are active, or whether or not you've got more than 3 Safeties up at any time. I suppose you could argue somebody like Averett may not be that critical on gameday, given that you have guys like Levine who will be active that could fill in for multiple injuries.

 

[RavensMania]

I doubt it, our training camp heroes never produce.

well there is always a first. we used to not draft WR's well either, but now we have Hollywood...

 

[Simba]

Its a thought. I'm not really a "Gus is great" guy. I think most teams have a back just like him on their roster already, and I think he does well because of the system he plays in.

That being said, he's probably a lot more comparable to what Ingram does than what Dobbins does, so who knows. It just feels pretty strange to have like upwards of close to 10% of your gameday roster allocated to the RB position, if you include Ricard in with that group. Its not impossible, but then I think you're going back to having another WR or Safety inactive. Could be the difference in whether Duvernay or Proche are active, or whether or not you've got more than 3 Safeties up at any time. I suppose you could argue somebody like Averett may not be that critical on gameday, given that you have guys like Levine who will be active that could fill in for multiple injuries.

The one thing to mention for the RBs is that all but Ingram will seemingly have ST roles. Hill is probably the only one that I think would be a "core" guy on nearly all the units, but Edwards has gotten some run on the ST units and a comment was made earlier in camp that Dobbins has taken well to his role there as well.

 

[rossihunter2]

The one thing to mention for the RBs is that all but Ingram will seemingly have ST roles. Hill is probably the only one that I think would be a "core" guy on nearly all the units, but Edwards has gotten some run on the ST units and a comment was made earlier in camp that Dobbins has taken well to his role there as well.

and let's be honest - there's absolutely no way dobbins is going to be inactive lol

 

[rossihunter2]

Its a thought. I'm not really a "Gus is great" guy. I think most teams have a back just like him on their roster already, and I think he does well because of the system he plays in.

That being said, he's probably a lot more comparable to what Ingram does than what Dobbins does, so who knows. It just feels pretty strange to have like upwards of close to 10% of your gameday roster allocated to the RB position, if you include Ricard in with that group. Its not impossible, but then I think you're going back to having another WR or Safety inactive. Could be the difference in whether Duvernay or Proche are active, or whether or not you've got more than 3 Safeties up at any time. I suppose you could argue somebody like Averett may not be that critical on gameday, given that you have guys like Levine who will be active that could fill in for multiple injuries.

working out the numbers i guess it does seem like RB 4 is the easiest way to get the inactives to the right number because to me the other 4 spots are easy:

averett
QB3
DL
OL 9

im not sure where the other inactive would come from unless it's geno stone (but he's likely playing special teams)

 

[Simba]

working out the numbers i guess it does seem like RB 4 is the easiest way to get the inactives to the right number because to me the other 4 spots are easy:

averett
QB3
DL
OL 9

im not sure where the other inactive would come from unless it's geno stone (but he's likely playing special teams)

I'm leaning OLB - if you've got everyone healthy, Jihad Ward seems like a guy that wouldn't really have a role. Edge setting is covered by our new and improved DL. McPhee would probably reclaim those snaps that Ward was getting late in the year. And Ward isn't a ST guy.

 

[ravenslord]

and let's be honest - there's absolutely no way dobbins is going to be inactive lol

I hear Dobbins has been very impressive. He will get touches very quickly

 

[BloodRaven]

Just thought Id delve into some advanced stats for Judon.

Take away his league leading 35 unblocked/cleanup pressures and he only generated 27 pressures last season, thats an average of 1.6 wins per game. He benefits a lot from our blitz heavy scheme and strong secondary.

 

[BloodRaven]

I'm leaning OLB - if you've got everyone healthy, Jihad Ward seems like a guy that wouldn't really have a role. Edge setting is covered by our new and improved DL. McPhee would probably reclaim those snaps that Ward was getting late in the year. And Ward isn't a ST guy.

Ward is not a good player but he didnt see his snaps drop probably out of necessity, for a former interior lineman hes terrible at setting the edge.

 

[rossihunter2]

Just thought Id delve into some advanced stats for Judon.

Take away his league leading 35 unblocked/cleanup pressures and he only generated 27 pressures last season, thats an average of 1.6 wins per game. He benefits a lot from our blitz heavy scheme and strong secondary.

there was also some advanced metric that came out earlier in the offseason that when teams bring extra numbers he wins more often - maybe he's helped out by the scheme and blitzers but he's also better equipped to create those pressure events when given the extra numbers

who knows - he's not a premier pass rusher in the league but he's effective and occasionally dominant - and more importantly from a ravens standpoint that's not all that he's useful for and his ability to play SAM in coverage and as an edge setter (more varied success there) is so useful schematically because it allows us to create mismatches and free rushes

 

[cdp]

Just thought Id delve into some advanced stats for Judon.

Take away his league leading 35 unblocked/cleanup pressures and he only generated 27 pressures last season, thats an average of 1.6 wins per game. He benefits a lot from our blitz heavy scheme and strong secondary.

Tbf Judon also drops into coverage at higher rate than other pass rushers, so I think you should divide it by pass rush snaps instead of games.
What do premier rushers average? I think we all know Judon's not an elite player, but he fits our scheme.

 

[rossihunter2]

 

[rossihunter2]

interestingly on training camp live recently gerry sandusky was on and talking about things he's noticed and he said of deshon elliott that if you'd taken off all the numbers off jerseys etc. you'd have thought deshon elliott was a starter anyway because of the way he was holding himself and playing

said deshon elliott's shown off dynamic closing speed in the running game and gets downhill quicker and more effectively than any other DB he'd seen in camp

now sandusky's obviously the voice of the ravens so maybe tinted glasses involved but really promising observation

 

[rmcjacket23]

working out the numbers i guess it does seem like RB 4 is the easiest way to get the inactives to the right number because to me the other 4 spots are easy:

averett
QB3
DL
OL 9

im not sure where the other inactive would come from unless it's geno stone (but he's likely playing special teams)

There's also the possibility they go with 4 Dlineman, with Ricard active as a 5th, if needed. A bit thin, but with us likely favoring a lot more Nickel and Dime packages, in many cases, you're only talking 2-3 Dlineman on the field at a time, at most.

 

[rossihunter2]

There's also the possibility they go with 4 Dlineman, with Ricard active as a 5th, if needed. A bit thin, but with us likely favoring a lot more Nickel and Dime packages, in many cases, you're only talking 2-3 Dlineman on the field at a time, at most.

honestly looking at ricard it looks like he's trimmed down - and clearly he's not splitting any time in practice - i think that would be an only in dire emergencies type situation

one of wink martindale's strengths since taking over as DC has been his use of substitution and rotation to keep guys (especially DL) fresh - to only go 4 deep on gamedays at DL (because even if ricard is the emergency 5th he's not going to factor into the rotation)

while we wont see 3 DL on the field i expect we'll see slightly more than we have in previous years because we have Calais Campbell on the team and our OLB corps is thinner than it could be unless they all step up - we're unlikely to see racecar type packages with all LB looks or LB + 1 DL as often albeit it will still be a staple but we're likely going to see more 2 DL rush packages than we have in recent years

 

[JoeyFlex5]

interestingly on training camp live recently gerry sandusky was on and talking about things he's noticed and he said of deshon elliott that if you'd taken off all the numbers off jerseys etc. you'd have thought deshon elliott was a starter anyway because of the way he was holding himself and playing

said deshon elliott's shown off dynamic closing speed in the running game and gets downhill quicker and more effectively than any other DB he'd seen in camp

now sandusky's obviously the voice of the ravens so maybe tinted glasses involved but really promising observation

That only matches what we’ve seen though. So far the ONLY negative aspect we’ve seen of Elliott is his availability, because he’s been nothing shy of excellent basically every time he’s hit the field

 

[rossihunter2]

That only matches what we’ve seen though. So far the ONLY negative aspect we’ve seen of Elliott is his availability, because he’s been nothing shy of excellent basically every time he’s hit the field

i mean im a massive believer in deshon but tbf we've not seen a huge amount of him playing against the run as a safety because his only regular season run at that position was as the 3rd safety who typically in the ravens scheme is a coverage specialist who has comfort in the deep middle

the only snaps we really have to see him coming downhill in the running game is preseason and there are interesting snaps there for sure but preseason surely has to count even less than his limited playing time in the regular season lol

 

[JAAM]

PLEASEEEEE stay healthy!!!!! He’s such a stud

 

[Sandtown]

duvernay's not going to be inactive - they'll force feed him some touches if they have to just to get the ball in his hands

Not often do The Ravens have 6 wide receivers active on game day. Lets be honest here Chris Moore or Jaleel Scott are going to make the team base off of special team purposes. Either one is likely to be active on game day. Devin Duvernay hasnt been getting any raving reviews concerning his special team ability.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i mean im a massive believer in deshon but tbf we've not seen a huge amount of him playing against the run as a safety because his only regular season run at that position was as the 3rd safety who typically in the ravens scheme is a coverage specialist who has comfort in the deep middle

the only snaps we really have to see him coming downhill in the running game is preseason and there are interesting snaps there for sure but preseason surely has to count even less than his limited playing time in the regular season lol

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m by no means saying he’s anything special, just saying that all arrows point to one direction with Elliott, limited footage, rave reviews, players campaigning for a larger role, and our comfort with cutting Earl dating back to the train incident, all signs pointing towards Elliott showing much more than we fans have seen.

if Elliott stays healthy I think we’re in for a big time season from him, I don’t think the ravens would have literally been looking for outs to earls contract months ago if the team didn’t agree