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2022 General Draft Thoughts

rossihunter2 said:
The closer we get to the draft, im doing 2 things with my grading simultaneously

1) watching new prospects - ive been a bit slow this year so still have absolutely tons of guys to get to
2) solidifying how i feel about the top 14 (and more importantly... are there 14 guys id want at 14)

the 2nd point is a little complicated because to me there's 11 guys i feel really strongly about (that's been listed over and over) but it's highly possible or even probably that they may all be gone by the time we pick - so the challenge the last week or so was about whether i can find a level of comfort with any of the next guys that i feel confident in them at 14

and there's 2 guys at this point that id be really happy if we brought them to the ravens at 14 who arent in that initial 11

Andrew Booth
Jordan Davis

that's right ive finally got to a point of comfort with Davis that im on the train properly now lol

i am basically 100% confident that 1 of those 13 prospects will be there at 14 because it only takes 1 QB or 1 non-drake london WR to have a guy i really like available at 14

it's not that im giving these 2 guys a bigger grade than they had, it's more that im comfortable with the grade and the fit as the next guys in the next tier
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So we know davis isnt even close to being a good pass rusher so is it just his physical attributes that we would banking on? Or is it that his run stuffing ability just makes him a safe pick?
 
Deebo813 said:
So we know davis isnt even close to being a good pass rusher so is it just his physical attributes that we would banking on? Or is it that his run stuffing ability just makes him a safe pick?
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I think he'll be a better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college. The man was being regularly triple teamed to stop him. You can't do that in the NFL without other players making you pay for it. And he destroys the pocket. Even if he's not getting home QBs cannot step up to avoid the edge rushers. It won't show up on stat sheets, but he'll make a big impact on passing downs. This isn't Brandon Williams we're talking about.
 
Deebo813 said:
So we know davis isnt even close to being a good pass rusher so is it just his physical attributes that we would banking on? Or is it that his run stuffing ability just makes him a safe pick?
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it's a combination - we've seen flashes of dominance in the passing game from davis... just so irregularly was on the field on passing downs because of the scheme and the rotation that georgia used

put him out at 2i or 3 on passing downs and let him attack a guard or the b-gap and just collapse it
you cannot leave him single-blocked and that changes the maths for the offence - that's how physically and athletically dominant he is - he's one swipe move or push-pull move away from being and absolute nightmare in the passing game

and then on top of that potential, you have a guy who can take on triple teams and win - there's even a clip of him going around atm taking on 4 OL on short yardage... and winning

so to answer your question more directly... it's both of those things - you're banking on the upside but with enough tape of him being destructive to give you lots of excitement about that development, while also knowing you've got one of the most dominant run defenders in the NFL the moment he gets to your team
 
rossihunter2 said:
it's a combination - we've seen flashes of dominance in the passing game from davis... just so irregularly was on the field on passing downs because of the scheme and the rotation that georgia used

put him out at 2i or 3 on passing downs and let him attack a guard or the b-gap and just collapse it
you cannot leave him single-blocked and that changes the maths for the offence - that's how physically and athletically dominant he is - he's one swipe move or push-pull move away from being and absolute nightmare in the passing game

and then on top of that potential, you have a guy who can take on triple teams and win - there's even a clip of him going around atm taking on 4 OL on short yardage... and winning

so to answer your question more directly... it's both of those things - you're banking on the upside but with enough tape of him being destructive to give you lots of excitement about that development, while also knowing you've got one of the most dominant run defenders in the NFL the moment he gets to your team
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I dnt think its enough tape to prove he is a good pass rusher tbh.. he wasnt only playing limited downs because of rotation, its cause they simply felt like he wasnt worthy of it.. also, he admitted to conditioning problems. Im not saying he isnt gonna be good but i feel like the obvious should be stated with this guy..
 
Deebo813 said:
I dnt think its enough tape to prove he is a good pass rusher tbh.. he wasnt only playing limited downs because of rotation, its cause they simply felt like he wasnt worthy of it.. also, he admitted to conditioning problems. Im not saying he isnt gonna be good but i feel like the obvious should be stated with this guy..
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where have you seen any evidence or statement about they taking him off the field because he wasn't worthy?

the conditioning is the 1 big question for me too - but he's also dropped weight since college and was in peak physical condition at the combine when he set all these combine records - if he can be helped to stay in shape then he's going to be absolutely fine

but that's more the reason why he was rotated out... because of conditioning, not because of impact

and georgia's rotation was not exclusive to jordan davis either - literally all of their front 7 rotated all the time - no one ever played a full complement of snaps because they've got a million 4* and 5* guys all over that front and sometimes they wanted to put 3 LBs on the field too which took DL off as well
 


that 3 cone isnt quite what i was hoping for but certainly not the end of the world either

and that 1.56 10yd split is awesome
 
rossihunter2 said:
where have you seen any evidence or statement about they taking him off the field because he wasn't worthy?

the conditioning is the 1 big question for me too - but he's also dropped weight since college and was in peak physical condition at the combine when he set all these combine records - if he can be helped to stay in shape then he's going to be absolutely fine

but that's more the reason why he was rotated out... because of conditioning, not because of impact

and georgia's rotation was not exclusive to jordan davis either - literally all of their front 7 rotated all the time - no one ever played a full complement of snaps because they've got a million 4* and 5* guys all over that front and sometimes they wanted to put 3 LBs on the field too which took DL off as well
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Im saying he wasnt worthy because its obvious if he only played 40% of snaps..So its either you werent conditioned all year or your team just feel like you are basically useless on passing downs..
 
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Deebo813 said:
Im saying he wasnt worthy because its obvious if he only played 40% of snaps..So its either you werent conditioned all year or your team just feel like you are basically useless on passing downs..
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my point is that they all only played around that many snaps - every single player on that DL got rotated in and out including probably top 5 pick Travon Walker, probable 1st rounder Devonte Wyatt and 2023 top 5 pick Jalen Carter - they were all completely dominant and they all subbed in and out constantly

and in terms of conditioning we saw that that was an issue vs bama the first time they played them in the sec championship game where bama ran hurry up and kept davis and the other DL trapped on the field and gassed them... georgia then spent the next month conditioning so that that wouldnt happen again...
 
Watching Kayvon more and more makes me want to see us be aggressive and move up for him. I would legit part with a future 1st for him. 2nd round pick is no question. Dude is ultra talented and I don’t understand the noise around him. Has to be smokescreen.
 
D1City55 said:
Watching Kayvon more and more makes me want to see us be aggressive and move up for him. I would legit part with a future 1st for him. 2nd round pick is no question. Dude is ultra talented and I don’t understand the noise around him. Has to be smokescreen.
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he's my top edge in this class.
 
D1City55 said:
Watching Kayvon more and more makes me want to see us be aggressive and move up for him. I would legit part with a future 1st for him. 2nd round pick is no question. Dude is ultra talented and I don’t understand the noise around him. Has to be smokescreen.
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i definitely understand those who have other guys rated above him - not gonna go crazy and say he's undoubtedly the clear and obvious number 1 player in the draft - i dont have questions about his effort or iq but i do have some questions about hip tightness and flexibility that mean that if a team had him like 7th or 8th on their board id understand... but for him to drop out of the top 10 would be ridiculous

that being said - the only reason id feel good about giving up a 2nd for him is purely about the superstition related to us sucking at 2nd round picks lol - in value terms ill be pissed if we have to give up more than a 3 to go get him
 
rossihunter2 said:
i definitely understand those who have other guys rated above him - not gonna go crazy and say he's undoubtedly the clear and obvious number 1 player in the draft - i dont have questions about his effort or iq but i do have some questions about hip tightness and flexibility that mean that if a team had him like 7th or 8th on their board id understand... but for him to drop out of the top 10 would be ridiculous

that being said - the only reason id feel good about giving up a 2nd for him is purely about the superstition related to us sucking at 2nd round picks lol - in value terms ill be pissed if we have to give up more than a 3 to go get him
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can't get better at 2nd round picks if you don't draft with them. We have used them for value recently with Lamar in 2018 and 19 and 21 for Oweh. In between we did pick JK Dobbins in the 2nd for EDC's sold 2nd round pick.

Amazing how bad we are at 2nd round picks, considering our hit rate with 5th and 6th rounders.
 
RavensMania said:
can't get better at 2nd round picks if you don't draft with them. We have used them for value recently with Lamar in 2018 and 19 and 21 for Oweh. In between we did pick JK Dobbins in the 2nd for EDC's sold 2nd round pick.

Amazing how bad we are at 2nd round picks, considering our hit rate with 5th and 6th rounders.
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JK's the only notable potential star and he's only in his 3rd year coming off a lost 2nd season lol...

it definitely doesnt help the case, as you say, that he's the only 2nd round pick we've made since we took tyus bowser (who's turned out fine it just took him a little time to get going... but also hasnt ascended into stardom like you might have hoped)

the last time we drafted a bona fide, undisputed stud in the 2nd round was 2012 with KO - and we had a few nice picks in the 2nd round leading up to that... ray rice, paul kruger, torrey smith and courtney upshaw was ok too

as you say though, easiest way to not suck in round 2 is to not draft in round 2 lol
 
Deebo813 said:
So we know davis isnt even close to being a good pass rusher so is it just his physical attributes that we would banking on? Or is it that his run stuffing ability just makes him a safe pick?
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Well the thing is we don’t know that he isn’t even close to being a good pass rusher.

The simple truth with Davis is if you try to block him with one player he’s gonna fuck up the play in ugly fashion, and that’s whether it’s a run or a pass.

There’s also the often forgotten fact that he is expected to play about 20+ lbs lighter in the nfl
 
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