calijah kancey???
lukas van ness and nolan smith likely going high too
some team may fall in love with bresee
seen a bunch of prognosticators talk about jahmyrr gibbs as a 1st rounder and darnell wright too...
Quentin Johnston
The TEs!!!
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2023 General Draft Thoughts
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calijah kancey???
lukas van ness and nolan smith likely going high too
some team may fall in love with bresee
seen a bunch of prognosticators talk about jahmyrr gibbs as a 1st rounder and darnell wright too...
Quentin Johnston
The TEs!!!
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
This is my personal Ravens specific board. I would not be opposed to adding Kancey Smith, and Van Ness. I would not add any TEs and I personally cannot take QJ at 22. I just can't. Updating now
i like Ojulari, but if you like him, not sure why you wouldnt like smith or will mcdonald....
absolutely love FAU and not sure why there arent more people hyping him up... still dont understand what im missing - why is he not universally regarded as a top 5 EDGE in this class?
not a fan of Adebawore... stiff tweener type - workout warrior who's been pushed way too high up the board i think
was more to point out that there's a lot more than 20 guys you can imagine going in the 1st round (and ahead of pick 22) than actually suggesting we should want them specifically for the ravens...
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I like Ojulari as a RD2 guy which is where I'd also like Smith. I've seen zero first round mocking of Ojulari. But Smith is exclusively mocked RD1
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Totally. Teams are saying they've only got about 20 guys with 1st round grades on their personal boards, but this is a strong RD1 overall. Its just that it falls off after day 2 immensely
i guess my question would be... why are the OTs on there?
we wont be taking them
skoronski i can understand because he looks like someone you can reasonably expect to play both LT and LG
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Yeah Skoronski definitely seems like he can. You think the other 2 definitely can't? The Ravens have been sort of extremely weird about OL flexibility and that's why I included them. Like Mekari playing all 5, Hurst doing that before him, Faalele is competing for LG etc etc.
Ravens seemingly don't care
i mean ive pretty universally seen Smith ahead of Ojulari in mocks but seen Ojulari slip into the back of R1 in a number of them over the last few months
Depends how you look at it though. A lot of these guys may be looked at as 1st rounders but that doesn’t mean they’re graded as that. There are quite a few on your list I do not have 1st round grades on personally.
there's a lot of guys with flaws
people who are scheme/situation specific - especially when you look at the EDGE/WR/CB classes - lots of guys with high-end traits but who might only work in certain systems and that's before we even engage with the RB issue, and the Kancey issue and the jalen carter issue
but also it's only 1 team reported as saying they've only got less than 20 or whatever - the assumption is that other team agree but not necessarily
id also bet you that a team picking in the late 20s probably has more than 20 lol
makes sense that boards are gonna be all over the place in this class
and if we take away the guys with "late 1st" grades on mine - the guys you're typically hoping to get as value picks later in the 1st and not in the middle of the round, i've only got 15 proper 1st rounders
the late 1st, early 2nd is really thick in this class but that doesnt help teams drafting between 17ish-35ish
there are guys id happily take at 22 that id rather not...
the 15 guys im not questioning (not stacked):
Jalen Carter
Calijah Kancey
Will Anderson
Tyree Wilson
Myles Murphy
Christian Gonzalez
Devon Witherspoon
Cam Smith
Emmanuel Forbes
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Anthony Richardson
Peter Skoronski
Jaxon Smith-Njigba
Zay Flowers
of those guys, id say the only reasonable bets to make it to 22 are Kancey, Smith, Forbes and Flowers
there's only really 1 other guy who, at any point, has been graded by me in that same group: Bijan Robinson
i mean if this set of draft picks is able to provide us with Roquan, DHop and still also add a 1st round pick then im pretty happy with that outcome tbh
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Yeah I think it will have turned out to be a strong offseason
See, even you have a few guys there that I don’t have that sure fire 1st round grade on - Kancey, Forbes, Flowers, and Murphy.
Just speaks to how draft boards are and why I don’t see this as a particularly strong class. Get the argument for some of those guys being 1st round grades but also don’t buy that teams do if that makes sense.
100%
some teams will have Kancey and Forbes outside of the 1st entirely due to outlier sizes
Flowers will be a flavour kind of thing
Murphy i struggle to see as anything but a 1st rounder but can see why he'd be more of a later 1st rounder than solidly in the middle
but for me they're all 1st round guys
And to be clear, I have them all in my late 1st-early 2nd bucket, which is historically one where I struggle to differentiate. So it’s not like it’s a drastic difference, but enough where I’d have a decision to make if that’s what was left on my board
Murphy on particular has been one I’ve waffled on. Like so many things but just feel like theres high bust potential there.
i dont think there's much bust potential - at the very least he feels safe in the sense that he's got the frame, athleticism and length to be a good run defender immediately
the projection is the pass rush (beyond just the long arm) which is where you wonder how much value can he offer you and how likely is that to happen
as a sort of related aside: interested to know how you feel about Van Ness, Zach Harrison, Anudike-Uzomah, Keion White, Derick Hall?