The Offensive Line Thread

[balfan23]

not season ending doesnt mean it's not serious. 2 -3 months isnt ''season ending'' but its pretty serious.

I understand - that's why I said I "remain concerned". I guess you missed that word, then missed the "well ..." leading into "that's good news" as indicating sarcasm.

After the Perriman injury report debacle which has prompted to team to refuse to state the nature of any injury unless the guy has lost a limb makes every practice absence a potential crisis.

 

[Serrell Tuggs]

Are you Danny D? This is something Danny D would say

Who's Danny D? Sounds like he says interesting things.

 

[RavensMania]

I understand - that's why I said I "remain concerned". I guess you missed that word, then missed the "well ..." leading into "that's good news" as indicating sarcasm.

After the Perriman injury report debacle which has prompted to team to refuse to state the nature of any injury unless the guy has lost a limb makes every practice absence a potential crisis.

Not saying anything is worse than some information as small as that information may be.

 

[balfan23]

Did everyone already forget how bad FA and draft class was for OL players this,year?

"Vikings third-round pick Pat Elflein will likely open the season as the starting center.". Taken 4 picks in front of us in the 3rd. Chris Wormley's spot and a late-rounder and this guy could be a Raven.

Of course - I hate to act like we should have a crystal ball and just because he's starting for the team that drafted him, doesn't mean he's head and shoulders above anyone. Still - I think we made statements post-draft that seemed to indicate we wanted him and hoped he'd fall to us and that approach failed. But anyway, while options were thin, there were some available to us. We chose for the O line to be the area that we risk going thin on and Murphy's law tells us that's where you will rack up your injuries.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Who's Danny D? Sounds like he says interesting things.

Ridiculous troll from the old boards, was known for talking about fine coffee, Latin, and Shakespeare, and swore he would retire from the forums if we weren't calling for Ronnie Stanley's head by week 4 last year

 

[RavensMania]

Ridiculous troll from the old boards, was known for talking about fine coffee, Latin, and Shakespeare, and swore he would retire from the forums if we weren't calling for Ronnie Stanley's head by week 4 last year

So he was the one that made that statement? That is an obsurd statement.

I was the chargers in the 2015 Forum Mock and traded down to the 7th pick because I felt Stanley would be available with this pick and I took him. I thought he was more pro ready than Tunsil due to the college offenses that they played him. I do feel Tunsil is going to be a very good LT in this league, but Stanley already is.

 

[Oldfaithful]

Ridiculous troll from the old boards, was known for talking about fine coffee, Latin, and Shakespeare, and swore he would retire from the forums if we weren't calling for Ronnie Stanley's head by week 4 last year

Aqua viate motherfuckers

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Aqua viate motherfuckers

Et tu brute Stanley is a bust

 

[Oldfaithful]

So real thoughts given that I had the chance to watch some of game via reruns

-Hurst was solid.
-Jensen had a play where he was absolutely bullied. But his overall body of work inspires confidence
-Howard looked rusty, not in football shape yet. But I don't think his performance was not as terrible as some indicated. Even if he has to move to guard I ain't hitting panic yet
-The other two guards weren't Spectular. Skura had his struggles. LG is a definite need and we need to make a move soon.


We need to see this line in action with Yanda and Stanley. I fully expect us to field a
Stanley-Zuttah-Jensen-Yanda-Howard oline come game one at this point. Which at the very least will be solid in pass protection as an entire unit. Likewise, the right side of the line should be a big unit for running lanes

 

[Oldfaithful]

All I can say is this. 2018 we're primed for a run. I have a feeling that Ozzie and Harbaugh are staying(even though I'd like to see us move on from Ozzie tbh) and frankly this all depends of Flacco's health. I've been saying all along that his two year plan has a fucking glaring flaw: If Flacco gets hurt, we're fucked and the plan is moot. But in 2018 the only real need on this team is offensive line. SO WE BETTER FUCKING INVEST IN IT FOR ONCE. That's literally the only real thing we need in 2018. Just go get some oline depth, and possibly another RB and we're fucking set.

Ozzie better not fuck this up. His seat is hotter than most people think.

 

[Adreme]

All I can say is this. 2018 we're primed for a run. I have a feeling that Ozzie and Harbaugh are staying(even though I'd like to see us move on from Ozzie tbh) and frankly this all depends of Flacco's health. I've been saying all along that his two year plan has a fucking glaring flaw: If Flacco gets hurt, we're fucked and the plan is moot. But in 2018 the only real need on this team is offensive line. SO WE BETTER FUCKING INVEST IN IT FOR ONCE. That's literally the only real thing we need in 2018. Just go get some oline depth, and possibly another RB and we're fucking set.

Ozzie better not fuck this up. His seat is hotter than most people think.

His seat could not be colder if it were made of dry ice.

Ravens go 0-16 and get blown out every game and the team is healthy, he still has a job next year. Even in a scenario that is virtually impossible he still has a job next year because of how well he has been building this team over the years since he arrived.

 

[Oldfaithful]

His seat could not be colder if it were made of dry ice.

Ravens go 0-16 and get blown out every game and the team is healthy, he still has a job next year. Even in a scenario that is virtually impossible he still has a job next year because of how well he has been building this team over the years since he arrived.

I respectfully disagree. Ozzie's had a hell of career, a hall of fame one as a GM, but we've missed the playoffs the past two season's and he's a big reason why. We hit a massive slump drafting wise from 2009-2013 with the exception of 2010, because that was a good draft class. He selected people like Cody, Elam, Brown, Upshaw. Sure, we had lower draft position, but he still needed to hit those picks. He had a good draft again in 2014, and it looks like 2015 is good too, and 2016 has been his best class in years. But, even with that we had 2 clearcut SUPER needs this offseason and he only addressed one of them(I'm very happy he finally found edge rushers. Both Bowser and Williams look fantastic). His plan is predicated around the health of our QB, which is now currently in doubt. Oh, and it doesn't help that our oline depth is also an absolute joke. He completely ignored the offense in the draft. We could have used another TE or WR, and got nothing(Ozzie got very lucky that Maclin was released). We needed a RT. Nothing. I don't care if the talent haul was poor(it was), I would have much rather disregarded Brandon Williams and have gotten a good guard like Larry Warford, especially with how good the rest of our young dlinemen have looked.

I'm sick and tired of this offense basically being neglected via the draft. Sure, we drafted Stanley, Perriman, Maxx, etc but we've been drafting far more defensive players than offensive ones. We need to fix this damn line. It's not good enough. That should have been priority number one. The only guy that truly inspires confidence thus far from what I've seen is Jensen, who looks like an upgrade over Zuttah. Howard is a downgrade, and LG is a crapshoot.

Decosta said earlier today that more moves are possible, including a potential trade, but we need to do something NOW. Our entire offense depends on the line. It doesn't need to be elite, it doesn't even need to be above average. But I have serious questions about it. Will Howard get back into football shape? Who will emerge at LG? Any other moves?

I seriously think Ozzie has lost his fastball. His prioritizing this offseason was beyond poor. Oline should have been priority number one. No questions asked. That was all that was separating us from having a playoff team last season. Sure, our defense is godly now. But that ain't going to mean a damn thing because we won't be able to score TDs or establish a running game. Granted, because of Roman we should be better this season, but I have my serious doubts.

I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong. But I am seriously worried.

 

[Adreme]

The problem is that he COULDNT address the offensive line. The draft did not support addressing it and the FA class was terrible. Even if you wanted to go all in on the OLine there just were not enough prospects to go in on.

 

[Oldfaithful]

The problem is that he COULDNT address the offensive line. The draft did not support addressing it and the FA class was terrible. Even if you wanted to go all in on the OLine there just were not enough prospects to go in on.

Oh please. We could have gotten a Larry Warford, a well above average guard who got a reasonable contract. We could have also signed Ronald Leary who's an ideal fit for our new scheme and he was coming off of a strong season. JC Tretter could have been had for a decent contract, and he's a very good center who has played almost every position on the offensive line and has done it WELL. We could have traded up in the draft for Pat Elflein because it looks like we don't need Wormley. We could have done more than we did. We should have not resigned Williams, ESPECIALLY since the depth on the dline looks so strong.

 

[Adreme]

Oh please. We could have gotten a Larry Warford, a well above average guard who got a reasonable contract. We could have also signed Ronald Leary who's an ideal fit for our new scheme and he was coming off of a strong season. JC Tretter could have been had for a decent contract, and he's a very good center who has played almost every position on the offensive line and has done it WELL. We could have traded up in the draft for Pat Elflein because it looks like we don't need Wormley. We could have done more than we did. We should have not resigned Williams, ESPECIALLY since the depth on the dline looks so strong.

I Like Warford but he like every other OLineman in a thin class got drastically overpaid. Elflein is a case of post draft revisionism. Did he turn out well so far? Yes. I however remember it being said by a vast majority that we came ahead with the better prospect in Siragusa.

Also I am of the belief that had it not been for some major injuries the starting line we rolled out would have been pretty good with the only question being "how good are we at RT?" Jensen is looking pretty strong as a center/guard, Obviously you have Stanley and Yanda, and I like Alex Lewis and think he would have come on similar to Stanley if not for that injury and with Siragusa as a strong backup the only major question was who was going to play RT? Thats not a bad OLine in the slightest. The pre injury OLine was one that was completely fine to go into the season using and its a shame they did not get to run with it, but they can add depth next year in the draft IF it falls that way.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I Like Warford but he like every other OLineman in a thin class got drastically overpaid. Elflein is a case of post draft revisionism. Did he turn out well so far? Yes. I however remember it being said by a vast majority that we came ahead with the better prospect in Siragusa.

Also I am of the belief that had it not been for some major injuries the starting line we rolled out would have been pretty good with the only question being "how good are we at RT?" Jensen is looking pretty strong as a center/guard, Obviously you have Stanley and Yanda, and I like Alex Lewis and think he would have come on similar to Stanley if not for that injury and with Siragusa as a strong backup the only major question was who was going to play RT? Thats not a bad OLine in the slightest. The pre injury OLine was one that was completely fine to go into the season using and its a shame they did not get to run with it, but they can add depth next year in the draft IF it falls that way.

who the fuck said siragusa was a better prospect than elflein? i wanna know so i can mute those brickheads for all eternity.

 

[Jacquouille]

The problem is that he COULDNT address the offensive line. The draft did not support addressing it and the FA class was terrible. Even if you wanted to go all in on the OLine there just were not enough prospects to go in on.

Well that's not true. For example, we almost traded down with the 49ers on the first day. If we did, we would have been able to pick Forrest Lamp who was no doubt the best OL prospect, or even Cam Robinson who we were said to really like. The 49ers proposed a 3rd and a 4th iirc, so with that 3rd we could have also gotten Dan Feeney or Pat Elflein.

But of course that is just speculation. Even without trading, nobody bats an eye if you take Lamp/Ramczyk in the first or Feeney/Elflein in the second. It would've been slight reaches, but if you truly want to get better upfront, those guys do it all day.

And no, Siragusa wasn't a better prospect than Elflein.

 

[The Greek]

Oh please. We could have gotten a Larry Warford, a well above average guard who got a reasonable contract. We could have also signed Ronald Leary who's an ideal fit for our new scheme and he was coming off of a strong season. JC Tretter could have been had for a decent contract, and he's a very good center who has played almost every position on the offensive line and has done it WELL. We could have traded up in the draft for Pat Elflein because it looks like we don't need Wormley. We could have done more than we did. We should have not resigned Williams, ESPECIALLY since the depth on the dline looks so strong.

i must disagree with you on b williams. lets say we do not re-sign him and pierce ends up struggling or gets injured than our lb's become useless with no one clogging the middle or drawing double teams. ray lewis improved significantly when ngata was drafted. those types of d-lineman allow lb's to do their thing

 

[Sandtown]

Oh please. We could have gotten a Larry Warford, a well above average guard who got a reasonable contract. We could have also signed Ronald Leary who's an ideal fit for our new scheme and he was coming off of a strong season. JC Tretter could have been had for a decent contract, and he's a very good center who has played almost every position on the offensive line and has done it WELL. We could have traded up in the draft for Pat Elflein because it looks like we don't need Wormley. We could have done more than we did. We should have not resigned Williams, ESPECIALLY since the depth on the dline looks so strong.

Why would The Ravens sign Larry Warford or Ronald Leary when they seem to be high on Alex Lewis? I get that some people may like Lewis better as a right tackle but The Ravens coaching staff and even the owner seem high on him being a pretty good guard for the foreseeable future. JC Tretter may be a good player but out of 4 seasons of his career he has only had one healthy season. Honestly with all the talk about health with this team why would The Ravens give JC Tretter a 3 year deal worth 16.76 million with the hope that he would stay healthy? And does Tretter really fit The Ravens need when it comes to having a bigger and physical offensive line ? I think The Packers run a zone blocking scheme more than anything which is the same team Tretter used to play for. I think it's easy to say The Ravens could have traded up for Pat Elflein but how do you know they didn't try to trade up but their offer got denied.

 

[BloodRaven]

The time for Ozzie to reload the oline was last years free agency and draft and this years draft. The 18 draft looks like a mixed bag to me