Saw more post about the decision than it being lamars faultLmao. I'm pretty sure every single person on this board will blame Lamar for his play on that down.
He messed up in at least 3 ways
Saw more post about the decision than it being lamars faultLmao. I'm pretty sure every single person on this board will blame Lamar for his play on that down.
He messed up in at least 3 ways
Lmao this is true but the mistakes he is making should not be happening from a 200+ mil guaranteed qbTo be fair, I wouldn’t want to look at Mike Davis either
He also didnt move up in pocketdavis was never the read
the mistakes he made on that play were all related to duvernay
- not reading that duvernay would be wide open and being late to get the ball out because of it
- being late to get the ball out put him under pressure that he didnt need to be under
- which led to him throwing without a good platform/base
- poor throw... not only did he not give his receiver a chance, he gave the defender a great chance (and cost us 18 yards)
mike davis in that play was never going to be got to in the reads because of the free rusher (and also because faalele got beat straight away on the other side) - to get to davis he would not only have to have a full field read, he'd then have to go through that progression (have duvernay not be open) and do it quick enough before the pressure got to him
He also didnt move up in pocket
That's true and I honestly can't understand why.Saw more post about the decision than it being lamars fault
You can count me in this boat.Saw more post about the decision than it being lamars fault
That's true and I honestly can't understand why.
It's mostly because most fans take these decisions as situational, more than analytical or aggression based.it's also a pointless discussion at this point
because harbs isnt gonna change - next time something like this happens, a bunch of people are gonna complain the exact same way they are this time, harbs will say the same stuff he said this time, and we'll do it all over again
im just bored of talking about these go/no-go decisions because to me it's a settled argument
yet some fans seem flabbergasted every single time and at this point it has to be wilful ignorance because it's not like the logic hasn't been explained many times and it's not like this could possibly be surprising given the frequency with which it happens
It's mostly because most fans take these decisions as situational, more than analytical or aggression based.
And a lot of fans are very "ancient" in how they look at football, so they believe in taking points vs maximizing opportunity to win.
Also a lot of people just don't like John and want to take the opportunity to bash him whenever they can get it.
Factsit's also a pointless discussion at this point
because harbs isnt gonna change - next time something like this happens, a bunch of people are gonna complain the exact same way they are this time, harbs will say the same stuff he said this time, and we'll do it all over again
im just bored of talking about these go/no-go decisions because to me it's a settled argument
yet some fans seem flabbergasted every single time and at this point it has to be wilful ignorance because it's not like the logic hasn't been explained many times and it's not like this could possibly be surprising given the frequency with which it happens
Also factsIt's mostly because most fans take these decisions as situational, more than analytical or aggression based.
And a lot of fans are very "ancient" in how they look at football, so they believe in taking points vs maximizing opportunity to win.
Also a lot of people just don't like John and want to take the opportunity to bash him whenever they can get it.
As far as the go for it/don't go for it is concerned, I'm generally very in the go for it boat.
However, I do also believe the numbers can't account for the flow of the game, quality of opponent, and other real, live factors, so I do think that for me, it does break down into a case by case basis.
99% of the time, I'd say the scenario calls for going for it, but I'm not a blindly go for it guy.
Gotta play them pocket aces no matter what lolAt times you should take situations into account and the offense was shit at that point and again, had started on the one. That 4th down play was on the 3 or 4. We were moving backwards and had enough time to try and drive again if the Bills did score. In poker you almost always play pocket aces. In a multi way pot on the bubble you know what though... you might want to sit that one out.
My thought basically boils down to this-At times you should take situations into account and the offense was shit at that point and again, had started on the one. That 4th down play was on the 3 or 4. We were moving backwards and had enough time to try and drive again if the Bills did score. In poker you almost always play pocket aces. In a multi way pot on the bubble you know what though... you might want to sit that one out.
I think many don’t want to admit that Lamar in his 5th year has some flaws that haven’t improved/gone away yet. They say it has to be coaching, not the players not executing.That's true and I honestly can't understand why.
You dinosaur, you don’t understand inferential statistics.As far as the go for it/don't go for it is concerned, I'm generally very in the go for it boat.
However, I do also believe the numbers can't account for the flow of the game, quality of opponent, and other real, live factors, so I do think that for me, it does break down into a case by case basis.
99% of the time, I'd say the scenario calls for going for it, but I'm not a blindly go for it guy.
This is where I'm at. Typically I'm team aggressive and like to go for it, but felt like this was one of the instances where you had to take the points. Just think the decisions Buffalo has to make down 3 change the perspective so drastically. Earlier in the game and I'm completely on board with the decision, but I just don't like passing up the lead entirely with such little time left. Maybe you still lose and it is what it is at that point, but just feel like they thought too much about the lack of trust in the D and not enough in the challenge you place on the Bills at that point. I'll always maintain that if you get to a point where you're trying to let a team score and they don't want to, you've made a bad decision.My thought basically boils down to this-
If you score a touchdown, the Bills need a touchdown for OT. How confident am I in a touchdown? Not at all when you consider the Ravens last scored one in the first quarter and one was gift wrapped by great position on the interception return.
Additionally, if a touchdown is the only positive outcome, what are the negatives? An interception, obviously, is one. A fumble is a huge one. A sack is a huge one. An incompletion is probably the best failure the Ravens could have hoped for. I just see too many possible scenarios for what could go wrong, and obviously it did go wrong.
If you get a field goal, the Bills need a field goal for OT or a touchdown to win. Given the Ravens are up, the Bills can't afford to risk milking the clock and attempt to score a touchdown- they need to take touchdown opportunities when they present themselves and that potentially gives the Ravens back the ball. Or, the Bills milk the clock and settle for OT.
Do I trust the defense to make the stop? They haven't been great, but they did just for a three and out. I probably trust them more than I trust the anemic offense. And if the Ravens go up three, this impacts the Bills playcalling and gives the Ravens a little more freedom in play calling. They can afford to be a bit more aggressive and not have to worry that any mistake they make could signal game over.
That's what would have been running through my head, personally.
The you lose to a flushGotta play them pocket aces no matter what lol
How many times do we have to fail on that logic to understand we can't force the probabilities? If nothing works for 3 quarters, why would that 4th down turn out like how we imagined?it's also a pointless discussion at this point
because harbs isnt gonna change - next time something like this happens, a bunch of people are gonna complain the exact same way they are this time, harbs will say the same stuff he said this time, and we'll do it all over again
im just bored of talking about these go/no-go decisions because to me it's a settled argument
yet some fans seem flabbergasted every single time and at this point it has to be wilful ignorance because it's not like the logic hasn't been explained many times and it's not like this could possibly be surprising given the frequency with which it happens