Why ive always like him. He actually wants to be great and puts in the work to do so. I just hope we are able to treat him like a pocket qb
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Lamar Jackson
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yeah matt waldman made a great point on the podcast @ThatsMyJoeTerback posted earlier in this thread - lamar has shown now a great ability to perform in the pocket and some real signs that he can not just be good but exceptional as a pocket passer - his worry is that the ravens will not make the most of jackson as a passer because he's so athletic
my contention and hope would be that we're literally redesigning the offence from scratch from the ground up this offseason around jackson and his abilities and that hopefully its built around him as a qb as it should be (and i think likely will be) and not just as a running-qb
JoeyFlex5
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I don’t think you’re doing him justice by making him only a pocket qb though. Now I certainly hope they don’t treat him like a wildcat qb, but you’re selling him short if he’s only drop back passing, dude is a legit world class running talent with all the refinement and vision and elusiveness in the world, you gotta use that talent.
Just don’t give him a damn RB workload and shorten his career
JoeyFlex5
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I wonder if lamar, bob3, Roman, and urban are all in contact with each other this offseason on the topic of playbook design, that would be awesome if these guys were all sharing input on this new playbook and could be the start of something special if they were.
they arent allowed to have contact about stuff like the playbook at this point in the offseason - but i would if there wasnt a discussion after the chargers game about what Lamar liked/disliked/thought would work/what he wanted to work with etc. in terms of scheme around him - i mean they definitely had a discussion about his development and what he needed to work on because that's what he's off in florida working on right now with snead and lasley so i would expect there was some discussion of scheme etc. that they'll take into account
i expect there'll be some flexibility in terms of emphasis as well and what plays lamar likes the most but that will be something they work on when they actually get back into the building for OTAs etc
but yeah per the CBA they cannot be talking to him right now (while they are developing the new playbook) - i imagine stuff like this will change after the next CBA (there seems to be interest from both the coaches and the players to have rules that allow players to spend more time in the building and improving themselves with help in the offseason periods when they arent allowed to have contact under the current rules
i mean i want him to be like russell wilson is what i really want lol.. like you said, if he is only a wildcat qb with rb carries, we have failed
I honestly hate this offense that we are running with a passion. Imagine going up against BB in the playoffs running this kinda offense
well the ravens didnt like it either - they're completely rebuilding it from the ground up like they did with the defence last year
I mean decosta said he could careless about rbs who can catch and didnt he say he wanted blocking wrs? It seems like our offense isnt gonna be too much different
JoeyFlex5
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Idk if he’ll ever be as accurate as russel Wilson, that’s a really high standard in all facets, but with his ridiculous athleticism he’ll never need to be the same caliber of passer that Wilson is because he could be as dangerous or even more dangerous just because of his legs. But yes, he needs a way bigger dosage of pocket plays thrown his way if we want to be taken serious.
Totally agreed, it was a gimmick and a poorly called one at that. There came a point in most games near the end where it was obvious that we would’ve been better by calling like 20% more pocket passes because they were working.
And then the wild card game where the solution should’ve been so obvious: jumbo package isos and traps up the gut vs their 6db box, and under center play action passes from said jumbo formations, but we couldn’t because our C and LG got worked so badly that their IDL single handedly crashed that party
there's a severe lack of nuance in that statement - he emphasised that we were looking for rbs who were runners first and if they had different skillsets that would be nice - harbs has also said he'd like a home-run hitter/3rd down specialist even after they signed ingram... they arent ignoring rbs who can catch they just have different skills evaluated as a higher priority for rbs in their evaluations
and in terms of wrs he said a willingness to block would be nice and would be something they look at but obviously a wide receiver has to be a receiver who can catch and get open first and foremost
to come away from the things our coaches have said and think we're only looking for wrs who can block and rbs who cant catch is to have incredibly selective listening/reading
i mean we really should have countered the open space they left underneath when the back was out on a route/empty backfield and run some qb draws - the space was there but we never called it and it would have created more space in the middle of the field to take advantage of because their 6 dbs couldnt just drop deep as soon as the rb left the pocket/went out to block or run a route
Marty has stuck to script for most of the year and not really adjusted at all. Even when Joe was QB. We stopped using many of the players that were working in the previous seven games. Why?????
the chargers gave us a defensive look that we hadnt expected - fair enough - the issue is that its not an unbeatable defence and it has its gaps but we never adjusted until the last quarter and even then we had to rely on some miracle plays from lamar off-script to get close
either the ability to adjust ingame playcalling was lacking or it was the coaches's ability to identify what was wrong was lacking
i tend to think it was the former given how the ravens coaching staff came out and owned it post-game and said it was nothing new and we didnt deal with it well enough and then they demoted the OC (and partly forced him out of the building) which would suggest playcalling was an issue...
allblackraven
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4 TE sets, baby!
only if they can block
Idk if you think i meant only blocking wrs literally but i didnt and the same goes for running backs.. i looked at like this.. we want run first running backs and wrs that are willinging to block... we also resigned rg3 ( ran a gimmicky offense)and nick boyle( very good run blocking Te).. is that not evidence that we are most likely gonna run some sort of gimmick offense? Now if we wouldve picked up coleman instead of ingram or a backup veteran qb who has no experience running gimmicky offenses then i wouldnt be worried
yes, we are going to be run first, but that doesn't mean we are going to do the same exact offense as we ran last season. Also we resigned Boyle because he is one of the best run blocking te in the league and is important for this offense. We also signed RG3 because he has been an excellent mentor for LJ and if injured can step in. Lamar will still run, but not near the amount of running we saw last season.
We resigned rg3 because he is familiar with the gimmicky offense. I just dont wanna see that same wack offense as lasr yr.