allblackraven
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Thoughtful Skip Bayless
Hurst was truly one of the picks of all time.I could understand passing on Ridley if they had ended up with DJ Moore, but Hurst was... a pick.
We could have also lost Lamar to someone else.oh yeah by that logic hurst is probably far far worse
ridley
warner
leonard
chubb
sutton
landry
gesicki
goedert
bates
looking back that 2018 LB class was insane - you could argue that the 2 best LBs in the sport as well as 2 more of the top 5-10 came from this class and then you've got LVE who went to a pro bowl too (Leonard, Warner, Roquan, Edmunds, LVE)
I wonder how far Lamar may have fallen if we didn't select him. Or if he would have been asked to transition to WR for a team that drafted him based on athletics abilitiesWe could have also lost Lamar to someone else.
I doubt he was ever going to play wr or any other position if not a qbI wonder how far Lamar may have fallen if we didn't select him. Or if he would have been asked to transition to WR for a team that drafted him based on athletics abilities
Ya never know all it takes is one shitty coach or GM and the player we know may never have happenedI doubt he was ever going to play wr or any other position if not a qb
lets not go there, but absolutely true.We could have also lost Lamar to someone else.
I agree with this. Hurst would have "looked better" if Andrews weren't a stud, but there just aren't many draft classes where a team gets two high quality TEs in the same draft. One's going to be significantly better than the other.I don't think we would be.
Hurst went to a VERY tight end friendly offense in Atlanta, and a more pass happy offense than Baltimore, and just didn't produce at a clip where I'd say he was worth the first round pick.
I think Hurst would have been okay in Baltimore, but I don't think he'd have ever justified his draft status.
I agree with this. Hurst would have "looked better" if Andrews weren't a stud, but there just aren't many draft classes where a team gets two high quality TEs in the same draft. One's going to be significantly better than the other.
Had they not drafted Andrews at all, then Hurst career may have gone differently, since he may have been a more focal point of this offense. But he skill-wise would have never matched Andrews I don't think, and we just would have been talking about how the Ravens drafted the wrong TE in that draft, instead of drafting the both the right one and wrong one.
I don't know the history of others teams, but its fair to see I'd bet I wouldn't see a lot of teams double dipping at TE, and we've done it three times now. And while the second TE drafted has (so far) made more impact than the first, its at least a little encouraging that the FO doesn't dissuade from taking a second one just because it took the first one.
I forgot about Williams. So much hype over that pick, even more so because the Steelers really wanted him.Minor note but we’ve actually double-dipped at TE 4 times
Dickson and Pitta
Williams and Boyle
Hurst and Andrews
Kolar and Likely
Naw. He already made it known that he was strictly a qb. He didnt even run the 40 neither. Picking him and expecting him not to play qb, is a disaster waiting to happenYa never know all it takes is one shitty coach or GM and the player we know may never have happened
Naw. He already made it known that he was strictly a qb. He didnt even run the 40 neither. Picking him and expecting him not to play qb, is a disaster waiting to happen
I forgot he didnt run the 40. Was that a QB/WR thing or did he only want to run it at his pro day. Hey man it happened to Jamie Fox(Aka Steamin Willie Beamin) in Any Given Sunday....Naw. He already made it known that he was strictly a qb. He didnt even run the 40 neither. Picking him and expecting him not to play qb, is a disaster waiting to happen
I forgot he didnt run the 40. Was that a QB/WR thing or did he only want to run it at his pro day. Hey man it happened to Jamie Fox(Aka Steamin Willie Beamin) in Any Given Sunday....
Id say it worked out well for him lol. Glad it did, the NFL needs more QBs like him.he refused to run it so that teams wouldnt worry about his non-QB related skills and tape
he did all the QB drills but opted out of all the athletic scoring
Thoughtful Skip Bayless
Cant really get mad at him for taking allen.. tbh most people would, including ravens fans.My takeaway is Shannon is reaching by being forced to take a contrarian position of not taking Lamar over Allen. He looks stupider as the discussion goes on.
Has lamar ever failed to deliver on a game winning drive? He probably has but i honestly cant think of a time when he didnt!
I cannot disagree more vehemently. I am ostensibly offended by this preposterous suggestion.Cant really get mad at him for taking allen.. tbh most people would, including ravens fans.