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Lamar Jackson

Sizzle said:
All I see is a bunch of conjecture, overthinking, and either baseless negativity or baseless positivity by nearly everyone on this thread.
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Nobody know what’s up with this man’s knee besides what he said and that he’s missed games. Nobody knows if he wants out of Baltimore or not. I’m sure we’ll find out soon but this wouldn’t be the first time the Ravens did a bad job on injury PR
 
Simba said:
Or maybe it's just magnified because it's Lamar. When are they ever upfront about an injury unless it's season ending?
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They had to quash all the bullshit about Lamar immediately. They chose to let Preston's bullshit hang around for 2 weeks before they did anything. And I'm not even sure Sun and Preston retracted on Ravens' request.
 
allblackraven said:
They had to quash all the bullshit about Lamar immediately. They chose to let Preston's bullshit hang around for 2 weeks before they did anything. And I'm not even sure Sun and Preston retracted on Ravens' request.
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Hardly anyone knew Preston even made that statement because it was hidden in a Q&A. It ignited a couple of weeks later and it got squashed real quick.
 
With all of this, I will say that it's another botched PR job and it's been downhill ever since Byrne left. I know it's an organizational thought process that the less info that's out there, the better off you are. But sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and be forthright. It's why this conversation leans so heavy to the extremes. It's never easy to prognosticate injury timelines, but I can imagine this goes significantly better if they have Harbaugh give some detail and say they don't have a timeline vs. the choice to consistently just say that he doesn't know.
 
Simba said:
With all of this, I will say that it's another botched PR job and it's been downhill ever since Byrne left. I know it's an organizational thought process that the less info that's out there, the better off you are. But sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and be forthright. It's why this conversation leans so heavy to the extremes. It's never easy to prognosticate injury timelines, but I can imagine this goes significantly better if they have Harbaugh give some detail and say they don't have a timeline vs. the choice to consistently just say that he doesn't know.
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is this different to the Byrne era though - havent harbs and the ravens always been like this regarding any injury that's not immediately obviously season ending?
 
rossihunter2 said:
is this different to the Byrne era though - havent harbs and the ravens always been like this regarding any injury that's not immediately obviously season ending?
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Yeah but I feel like they just had a better handle on things back then. We’ve definitely moved to a lot more secrecy in recent years in regards to nearly everything. Felt like they at least gave non-answer answers back then compared to the no info answers we get now.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Unless I'm misreading in my haste to read like 20+ pages, people are really suggesting that Lamar shouldn't have made a statement about his injury?

We have people who ran with the initial 1-3 week report and people who ran with the original Mike Preston report (which was then walked back on, but the damage had been done) and are using it still as fuel to slam on Lamar. People suggesting he's checked out and that he's not actually injured.

The Ravens did a really poor job of handling the injury and defending Lamar and I don't blame him for speaking out, in a very professional manner mind you, against the very loud group of people who are shitting on him for what appears to be, by all accounts, a really severe injury.

With how poorly the Ravens handled defending him and how poorly a very vocal group of Ravens fans have been regarding the injury, I wouldn't be shocked if Lamar tried to force his way out of Baltimore. There WILL be a team that will pay him a fully guaranteed contract and would appreciate his services.
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Absolutely! The Ravens fan in me wanted Lamar to come back for this Wildcard game but it's not happening! The business side of me says that Lamar needs to say to hell with the Ravens and get away from this franchise as quickly as he can. I hate how all of this has been handled and played out in the media.
 
I'm not going to add to injury talk but I do agree we should trade Lamar. This is the second year in a row he misses the second half of the season (I know it's not his fault he gets injured) and these injuries are taking a toll on his biggest asset which is his legs.

He is a great athlete, excellent runner, but he is slowing down which is expected. He has not taken the next step as a passer therfore in my opinion he doesn't deserve the contract that is rumored he wants. The FO has failed in giving him WRs but we also can't deny that this team set up this offense to fit Lamar and his strengths. I'll be happy of he's stays but I will understand if the team decides to trade him.
 
Florida Raven Fan said:
I'm not going to add to injury talk but I do agree we should trade Lamar. This is the second year in a row he misses the second half of the season (I know it's not his fault he gets injured) and these injuries are taking a toll on his biggest asset which is his legs.

He is a great athlete, excellent runner, but he is slowing down which is expected. He has not taken the next step as a passer therfore in my opinion he doesn't deserve the contract that is rumored he wants. The FO has failed in giving him WRs but we also can't deny that this team set up this offense to fit Lamar and his strengths. I'll be happy of he's stays but I will understand if the team decides to trade him.
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How does QB show his passing ability if there's no one to throw to?
 
Grim said:
Also as good as Lamar is why would some team trade the farm for Lamar when he is hurt and had a season ending injury? That’s the kind of dumb move a franchise does. The only way a team does it is if the Ravens sell very low. I’m not sure why I would do that if I am the Ravens.

Only way Lamar leaves is if he wants it and I’m not convinced of that.
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Lamar's asking price would not change regardless of what happened this season. we all knew that going into the year, and it ended in quite literally the worst case for all parties, harbs mad, Lamar mad, fans mad - and no clarity until 3 days before the game. I much would have rather known the season was done in November like last year. but Lamar will get the same amount of money as a baseline to if he didn't play the season. as a fan I hate that but as a business perspective you can't fault him
 
RavensMania said:
just like stanley
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the Lamar stuff is a clear overreaction because no one knows anything from the outside.

the stannley stuff, I do think is a miracle that he came back and is healthy and good. I don't think it was wrong on anyone to doubt a guy not playing in 2 years with 3 surgeries and a horrific injury. I don't think they are comparable, but I get your point is saying fans are dumb and overreact and agree with that on the Lamar stance
 
isn't it completely against league rules to lie about injuries and not disclose information as such on Lamar? I believe whatever has gone down is new information (max 10 days old) and not something that has been known about for an extended period
 
drjohnnyfever said:
I'm not sure I see it the same way, Lamar's Dad... I wouldn't be surprised if he were happy to take the payday of the Tag to try to have a healthy year in cementing an even larger contract. He bet on himself this year and it failed. I don't think he wants any regrets. But if we pay the tag and he winds up injured again next year on the tag, he damages his ability to get the record deal he's angling for and weakens our position in getting trade value. If it ain't done soon, I feel like the die is cast for him to be traded on draft night.
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When an outsider tells me how my son's (my son) situation is going to play out is blasphemy and insulting! Sir, my son and I are forever Ravens. Yes, we want max value for my son, but he has confided in me that he doesn't really care about the money as much as he does winning the SB for the Ravens because they believed in him. He has also said that once he gets a Lombardi trophy for the Ravens, his commitment is finished. He can then do what LeBron did and go to greener pastures.
 
Simba said:
With all of this, I will say that it's another botched PR job and it's been downhill ever since Byrne left. I know it's an organizational thought process that the less info that's out there, the better off you are. But sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and be forthright. It's why this conversation leans so heavy to the extremes. It's never easy to prognosticate injury timelines, but I can imagine this goes significantly better if they have Harbaugh give some detail and say they don't have a timeline vs. the choice to consistently just say that he doesn't know.
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I think Harbaugh has created this situation with his answers regarding Lamar's injury.

He may have done it for competitive reasons, but by suggesting that Lamar might be back just a week or two after the injury, he created a situation where Lamar's failure to return became a talking point every week. When he didn't return, that created an information gap which people (and Preston) filled with speculation and theories, mostly about his contract.

Harbaugh added fuel to that fire by acting pissed that Lamar hadn't returned. "I'm going to coach the players I've got."

Harbugh knew, or was told, he'd gone too far, which is why he took some of it back with his more detailed answer a couple of weeks ago.

Now Lamar has done the same. It's very rare for a player to come out and explain their injury in detail, but Lamar rightly felt he had been put in a position where he had to counter the speculation that he was deliberately slow playing it over the contract.

I wonder whether Lamar's statement will get Harbaugh in any trouble with the league. Coaches don't have to be completely open about injury status but I think there are rules against them being deliberately misleading about injuries too, aren't there? Harbaugh clearly wanted every opponent to prepare for Lamar, but now, it seems clear there was no chance of his playing in most of those games. Some other coaches (and maybe the NFL) might think Harbaugh was cheating by keeping Lamar's status open.
 
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