is this different to the Byrne era though - havent harbs and the ravens always been like this regarding any injury that's not immediately obviously season ending?
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Lamar Jackson
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is this different to the Byrne era though - havent harbs and the ravens always been like this regarding any injury that's not immediately obviously season ending?
Yeah but I feel like they just had a better handle on things back then. We’ve definitely moved to a lot more secrecy in recent years in regards to nearly everything. Felt like they at least gave non-answer answers back then compared to the no info answers we get now.
Militant X 1
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Absolutely! The Ravens fan in me wanted Lamar to come back for this Wildcard game but it's not happening! The business side of me says that Lamar needs to say to hell with the Ravens and get away from this franchise as quickly as he can. I hate how all of this has been handled and played out in the media.
I'm not going to add to injury talk but I do agree we should trade Lamar. This is the second year in a row he misses the second half of the season (I know it's not his fault he gets injured) and these injuries are taking a toll on his biggest asset which is his legs.
He is a great athlete, excellent runner, but he is slowing down which is expected. He has not taken the next step as a passer therfore in my opinion he doesn't deserve the contract that is rumored he wants. The FO has failed in giving him WRs but we also can't deny that this team set up this offense to fit Lamar and his strengths. I'll be happy of he's stays but I will understand if the team decides to trade him.
He is a great athlete, excellent runner, but he is slowing down which is expected. He has not taken the next step as a passer therfore in my opinion he doesn't deserve the contract that is rumored he wants. The FO has failed in giving him WRs but we also can't deny that this team set up this offense to fit Lamar and his strengths. I'll be happy of he's stays but I will understand if the team decides to trade him.
just like stanley
allblackraven
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How does QB show his passing ability if there's no one to throw to?
Lamar's asking price would not change regardless of what happened this season. we all knew that going into the year, and it ended in quite literally the worst case for all parties, harbs mad, Lamar mad, fans mad - and no clarity until 3 days before the game. I much would have rather known the season was done in November like last year. but Lamar will get the same amount of money as a baseline to if he didn't play the season. as a fan I hate that but as a business perspective you can't fault him
the Lamar stuff is a clear overreaction because no one knows anything from the outside.
the stannley stuff, I do think is a miracle that he came back and is healthy and good. I don't think it was wrong on anyone to doubt a guy not playing in 2 years with 3 surgeries and a horrific injury. I don't think they are comparable, but I get your point is saying fans are dumb and overreact and agree with that on the Lamar stance
isn't it completely against league rules to lie about injuries and not disclose information as such on Lamar? I believe whatever has gone down is new information (max 10 days old) and not something that has been known about for an extended period
OURavensFan
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I’m fine with Buffalo especially because it will trigger Cincinnati, if it can’t be us of course
Ellicottraven
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Ellicottraven
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When an outsider tells me how my son's (my son) situation is going to play out is blasphemy and insulting! Sir, my son and I are forever Ravens. Yes, we want max value for my son, but he has confided in me that he doesn't really care about the money as much as he does winning the SB for the Ravens because they believed in him. He has also said that once he gets a Lombardi trophy for the Ravens, his commitment is finished. He can then do what LeBron did and go to greener pastures.
QtR Nevermore
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I think Harbaugh has created this situation with his answers regarding Lamar's injury.
He may have done it for competitive reasons, but by suggesting that Lamar might be back just a week or two after the injury, he created a situation where Lamar's failure to return became a talking point every week. When he didn't return, that created an information gap which people (and Preston) filled with speculation and theories, mostly about his contract.
Harbaugh added fuel to that fire by acting pissed that Lamar hadn't returned. "I'm going to coach the players I've got."
Harbugh knew, or was told, he'd gone too far, which is why he took some of it back with his more detailed answer a couple of weeks ago.
Now Lamar has done the same. It's very rare for a player to come out and explain their injury in detail, but Lamar rightly felt he had been put in a position where he had to counter the speculation that he was deliberately slow playing it over the contract.
I wonder whether Lamar's statement will get Harbaugh in any trouble with the league. Coaches don't have to be completely open about injury status but I think there are rules against them being deliberately misleading about injuries too, aren't there? Harbaugh clearly wanted every opponent to prepare for Lamar, but now, it seems clear there was no chance of his playing in most of those games. Some other coaches (and maybe the NFL) might think Harbaugh was cheating by keeping Lamar's status open.
UPennChem
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It's funny everyone is fixated on different aspects of all of this. I'll throw my idea out.
I firstly have no ill will towards Lamar. I think he's always been very hurt and always tried his best to get back.
I think thr Ravens PR on this was an absolute joke. Absolutely no reason for it and made Lamar catch a ton of unnecessary flack.
My biggest gripe, and I've been saying this from the beginning, Lamar's injury was WAAAAY worse than they reported. You can check, I said that we'd be lucky if he was back for Cincy which would have out him at 6 weeks. Turns out that wasn't even close and he probably wouldn't play if we were in the SB.
All that being said wtf were we doing not putting Lamar on IR and getting a real QB in here? This is on top of knowing Snoop is bad and has had tendinitis issues the whole year.
That's absolutely garbage GM-ing and HC-ing.
BIG fat F for EDC, Harbs, and the Ravens PR team
I firstly have no ill will towards Lamar. I think he's always been very hurt and always tried his best to get back.
I think thr Ravens PR on this was an absolute joke. Absolutely no reason for it and made Lamar catch a ton of unnecessary flack.
My biggest gripe, and I've been saying this from the beginning, Lamar's injury was WAAAAY worse than they reported. You can check, I said that we'd be lucky if he was back for Cincy which would have out him at 6 weeks. Turns out that wasn't even close and he probably wouldn't play if we were in the SB.
All that being said wtf were we doing not putting Lamar on IR and getting a real QB in here? This is on top of knowing Snoop is bad and has had tendinitis issues the whole year.
That's absolutely garbage GM-ing and HC-ing.
BIG fat F for EDC, Harbs, and the Ravens PR team
Darklight1216
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I initially thought along these lines, but the NFL is clearly divided between haves and habe bits. The "haves" have a qb. The Ravens dont even have a competent backup qb. And this draft class isn't known for its passers.
They need to keep Lamar and find a better backup.
Besides, isn't he at the end of rookie contract? I don't know if guys like that can be traded. I suppose they might tag and trade?
ndub
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You ain’t gonna get me riled up and in trouble again sir
Thezone27
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Cleveland?
Thezone27
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and look 2 years later who should have been a pro bowler?
ravenslord
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I have to say I am extremely disappointed in the way the Ravens front office has handled the Lamar injury .
He deserved better. He should not have had to Twitter post his injury status. He must have felt it was necessary
because of the complete lack of transparency coming from the front office.
SAD!!!!! I do believe his Twitter post could signal the end of his tenure in Baltimore. I can't believe management is happy with his post
and it indicates Lamar must not be happy with the information presented by the Ravens.
He deserved better. He should not have had to Twitter post his injury status. He must have felt it was necessary
because of the complete lack of transparency coming from the front office.
SAD!!!!! I do believe his Twitter post could signal the end of his tenure in Baltimore. I can't believe management is happy with his post
and it indicates Lamar must not be happy with the information presented by the Ravens.
Thezone27
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The message didn't seem like him. I don't think he wrote it maybe his mom?