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Lamar Jackson

Michael M. said:
But don't you think these fully guaranteed contracts are the wave of the future? Lamar will get it from someplace and then it won't be able fo be argued that the Watson contract was an outlier
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wave of the future for who? I don't see any chance fully gtd contracts happen for anybody other than high-end QBs for many decades. And it'll almost certainly require a lengthy work stoppage for it to happen (which also won't happen).

No other position group will be in stratosphere of fully gtd contracts anytime soon. They're just not that valuable. And every Owner and Agent in the world knows that.
 
Ellicottraven said:
I'd basically pay him $260M over 5 yrs with 170M guaranteed with the option of coming down on the annual cost to 250M over 5 yrs with 185M guaranteed or $245M over 5 yrs with 200M guaranteed. Any of the 3 options works for me and/or my beautiful child.
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Yeah, this is too high.
 
Ellicottraven said:
I will admit that it is very unlikely to happen with Bisciotti. With other owners that are cash rich and want to win at any cost? Not so sure.
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Not sure why you would think that. Every team that is competitive spends up to the cap each and every year. It has zero to do with anyone being "cheap". lol
 
rmcjacket23 said:
wave of the future for who? I don't see any chance fully gtd contracts happen for anybody other than high-end QBs for many decades. And it'll almost certainly require a lengthy work stoppage for it to happen (which also won't happen).

No other position group will be in stratosphere of fully gtd contracts anytime soon. They're just not that valuable. And every Owner and Agent in the world knows that.
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I should have clarified: the position of franchise QB.
 
Deebo813 said:
What would be a realistic deal you all would pay lamar?
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$46-48M in AAV, with 50% guaranteed at signing and probably 75-80% fully guaranteed.

At that point it really just depends on # of years.

On a 5 year... $235M, $120M gtd at signing, around $175M total guaranteed.

Would put him #3 in AAV and guaranteed money.
 
Michael M. said:
I should have clarified: the position of franchise QB.
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I think in ten years there will be multiple QBs with fully gtd deals, however it won't be the norm. It'll be reserved for the Mahomes-type players.

The only way that increases is if people start doing the Cousins/Rodgers model. QBs start doing away with signing 5-6 year extensions and start doing 2-3 year extensions that are fully gtd. That I could see happening.

The downside of the latter is lack of cap flexibility on the part of the team. And basically every other season you're having to renegotiate with your franchise QB.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
$46-48M in AAV, with 50% guaranteed at signing and probably 75-80% fully guaranteed.

At that point it really just depends on # of years.

On a 5 year... $235M, $120M gtd at signing, around $175M total guaranteed.

Would put him #3 in AAV and guaranteed money.
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Well, they offered him $133M gtd at signing and he rejected it...
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I think in ten years there will be multiple QBs with fully gtd deals, however it won't be the norm. It'll be reserved for the Mahomes-type players.

The only way that increases is if people start doing the Cousins/Rodgers model. QBs start doing away with signing 5-6 year extensions and start doing 2-3 year extensions that are fully gtd. That I could see happening.

The downside of the latter is lack of cap flexibility on the part of the team. And basically every other season you're having to renegotiate with your franchise QB.
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in 10 years there may be changes in the cba that allow for these guaranteed contracts. Not sure it will happen, but the more it plays out, the more likely it would be to happen.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Well, they offered him $133M gtd at signing and he rejected it...
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You're assuming a) that offer was real and b) that he rejected it for that reason. My guess would be that has nothing to do with the reason he rejected it.

To put it bluntly... if he thinks he's getting the Watson deal, I'd bet a large sum of money he won't. From the Ravens or anybody else.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
You're assuming a) that offer was real and b) that he rejected it for that reason. My guess would be that has nothing to do with the reason he rejected it.

To put it bluntly... if he thinks he's getting the Watson deal, I'd bet a large sum of money he won't. From the Ravens or anybody else.
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Unless it is the Browns who decide they need another QB
 
Not sure if anyone listened to RG3 on Rich Eisen the other day, but he said the reason Lamar didn't travel with the team wasn't due to his injury. He was sick. He would have liked to be with the team.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
You're assuming a) that offer was real and b) that he rejected it for that reason. My guess would be that has nothing to do with the reason he rejected it.

To put it bluntly... if he thinks he's getting the Watson deal, I'd bet a large sum of money he won't. From the Ravens or anybody else.
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I hope there are bookies that would take your bet and get all your money, you arrogant man! ;)
 
rmcjacket23 said:
You're assuming a) that offer was real and b) that he rejected it for that reason. My guess would be that has nothing to do with the reason he rejected it.

To put it bluntly... if he thinks he's getting the Watson deal, I'd bet a large sum of money he won't. From the Ravens or anybody else.
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I'd agree that the Ravens aren't going to give him a fully guaranteed contract, but I wouldn't put it past another team getting desperate.
 
RavensMania said:
in 10 years there may be changes in the cba that allow for these guaranteed contracts. Not sure it will happen, but the more it plays out, the more likely it would be to happen.
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Right, my point is those changes are going to require significant concessions by both sides, and potentially a labor stoppage to force it.

If there's actual CBA discussions, it will almost certainly be towards fully gtd contracts for all, not just for a small group of players. That will never get past the Union head.

If they actually manage to get the Owners to agree to fully gtd contracts, they're going to need to make huge concessions. The biggest would almost certainly be a reduced cut of the Revenue pool. So then it becomes a question of whether or not the reduced cut of revenue they'd get is greater or less than the fully gtd portions of contracts they'd receive.
 
RavensMania said:
I'd agree that the Ravens aren't going to give him a fully guaranteed contract, but I wouldn't put it past another team getting desperate.
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Yeah you have to assume that some team will get desperate. The Watson deal is so dumb (for the Browns) on so many levels. According to sportrac there is verbiage in that deal that guarantees money even if Watson is suspended. No protection for player investments. And it hasn’t taken long for other teams (us) to be faced with negotiating fully guaranteed contracts. Assuming that Lamar wants a fully guaranteed deal. Can of worms has been opened, thanks to the mistake by the lake.
 
RavensMania said:
Not sure if anyone listened to RG3 on Rich Eisen the other day, but he said the reason Lamar didn't travel with the team wasn't due to his injury. He was sick. He would have liked to be with the team.
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Lamar getting sick before a big game??? He was just staying in form lol
 
Trevor Lawrence now has as many playoff wins as Lamar .This should not be.

That performance against the Chargers reminded me of Vinny Testeverde! 4 picks and 4 td throws LOL
 
rmcjacket23 said:
You're assuming a) that offer was real and b) that he rejected it for that reason. My guess would be that has nothing to do with the reason he rejected it.

To put it bluntly... if he thinks he's getting the Watson deal, I'd bet a large sum of money he won't. From the Ravens or anybody else.
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He won’t get it from the ravens, but someone will do it.
 
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