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Lamar Jackson

Simba said:
Deshaun Watson happened. That's it. If Watson never happened, he'd probably have signed by now. But when you see a guy with pending legal matters get that much, I don't blame him for trying to get that too. It's become clear that it's an aberration, but he's dug in so deep and has been validated every step along the way that he deserves the same or more from people that he trusts, whether he should or not.
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Me either. I just want them to come to some resolution with Lamar Jackson signed to a long-term deal with the Baltimore Ravens ASAP!
 
Simba said:
Deshaun Watson happened. That's it. If Watson never happened, he'd probably have signed by now. But when you see a guy with pending legal matters get that much, I don't blame him for trying to get that too. It's become clear that it's an aberration, but he's dug in so deep and has been validated every step along the way that he deserves the same or more from people that he trusts, whether he should or not.
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UPennChem said:
Fucking Browns
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I was not really taken seriously when I suggested that the Rubadub Watson deal the Browns brokered was by design to fuck up our inevitable negotiations with Lamar and complicate the Burrow deal too. I still think they did it because they could screw us with the excessive cap space they had then. It was a smashing success.

Personally, now, I just think the relationship has to end. If Lamar doesn't see that he really was treated fairly by a financially responsible team, that's fine, but he has to admit to himself his errors. Either he plays out the year on the Tag and tears it up to get his value closer to where he wants it, or he sits out and pouts, OR - the thing I'm most concerned about - he plays hard but twists a toe and shuts himself down again crippling the team.

We have to have a bona-fide backup. There's growing suspicion for me where he never plays another game as a Raven again.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
I was not really taken seriously when I suggested that the Rubadub Watson deal the Browns brokered was by design to fuck up our inevitable negotiations with Lamar and complicate the Burrow deal too. I still think they did it because they could screw us with the excessive cap space they had then. It was a smashing success.

Personally, now, I just think the relationship has to end. If Lamar doesn't see that he really was treated fairly by a financially responsible team, that's fine, but he has to admit to himself his errors. Either he plays out the year on the Tag and tears it up to get his value closer to where he wants it, or he sits out and pouts, OR - the thing I'm most concerned about - he plays hard but twists a toe and shuts himself down again crippling the team.

We have to have a bona-fide backup. There's growing suspicion for me where he never plays another game as a Raven again.
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Twisting his toe and shutting it down would be highly likely imo if he plays on the tag.
 
Simba said:
Deshaun Watson happened. That's it. If Watson never happened, he'd probably have signed by now. But when you see a guy with pending legal matters get that much, I don't blame him for trying to get that too. It's become clear that it's an aberration, but he's dug in so deep and has been validated every step along the way that he deserves the same or more from people that he trusts, whether he should or not.
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I guess, but an agent would never have expected a Watson deal and could have explained that. All but Lamar and people that supported that idea for him thought there would ever be another Watson deal.
 
So here's a question: How do we get compensated without taking two first rounders? If the decision is made to deal him just to get him gone, what do we take that doesn't include two first round picks?

A first next year and tons of 2nd and 3rd rounders for a couple years after? I have no clue. Either way, he has to sign the Tag contract to be able to be traded. I imagine he holds us hostage as long as he can for that. But once done, how fast do we turn around to get him outta here and what do we take to hasten the departure?
 
drjohnnyfever said:
So here's a question: How do we get compensated without taking two first rounders? If the decision is made to deal him just to get him gone, what do we take that doesn't include two first round picks?

A first next year and tons of 2nd and 3rd rounders for a couple years after? I have no clue. Either way, he has to sign the Tag contract to be able to be traded. I imagine he holds us hostage as long as he can for that. But once done, how fast do we turn around to get him outta here and what do we take to hasten the departure?
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And a few months ago i though we could get maybe 3 1st rounders for Lamar. LOL. We will be extremely lucky to get two now after Lamar announced the trade demand. I though he promised to keep the negotiations private?

Other teams are now scared to death to sign him because of his behavior.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
So here's a question: How do we get compensated without taking two first rounders? If the decision is made to deal him just to get him gone, what do we take that doesn't include two first round picks?

A first next year and tons of 2nd and 3rd rounders for a couple years after? I have no clue. Either way, he has to sign the Tag contract to be able to be traded. I imagine he holds us hostage as long as he can for that. But once done, how fast do we turn around to get him outta here and what do we take to hasten the departure?
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I don't think the Ravens would accept any trade offer for less than two first rounders during 2023. In 2024, maybe, but not today.
They'll just reject and let it play out.
 
UPennChem said:
Do we think that Indy, Houston, and Atlanta are the only teams even remotely considering Lamar?
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Today, I think its Colts and Falcons. Pretty much only two that make sense. Texans have #2 overall pick and can basically get a cheaper rookie QB who could easily be as good.

Draft night might settle a lot of this. Could be a team we're not expecting, like Titans, Patriots, etc. gets in there on draft night or after. Likely after in my opinion.
But there's going to be less teams interested in May than there are today. And that means the player becomes more valuable in terms of draft compensation.

For me, if its not Atlanta or Indy, pretty much every other team has a) weaker draft capital for 2023, which means they'll need to give up more in terms of quantity of draft picks, and b) the further down the list you get, the more likely it is that the offers they make aren't materially better than the Ravens offer, meaning we'll just match.

I'm a little biased in this regard, but I also think the price tag for AFC teams is significantly higher than for NFC teams (in terms of draft compensation). That may not really be true, but if I were a GM, I'm trading him somewhere where I'm only playing him every 3-4 years, at most.
 
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