rmcjacket23
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Its not. But why didn't he do it ten years ago?
It doesn't matter that she's female. And it doesn't matter that she's black either. She didn't do anything special at all.
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It doesn't matter that she's female. And it doesn't matter that she's black either. She didn't do anything special at all.
rmcjacket23
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lol NBA teams don't care if players think the Earth is flat. You walk among dozens of people every day who think the same.
He didnt do it 10yrs ago cause maybe he wasnt thinking about it. Couldve been that lamar and his mom gave him the idea..
rmcjacket23
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more likely that Lamar got the idea from him, but it really doesn't matter anyway.
Irving signed his mom as his agent in 2022.. lamar mom has been his agent since 2018
rmcjacket23
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Yeah except nobody cared about Lamar's mom until it was time for him to get a new contract. What value was his mom adding in 2019, 2020, etc.?
Also, Lamar's mom isn't an agent. She isn't certified as one by literally anybody, and neither the NFL or NFLPA identify her as one.
Kyrie's stepmother is an actual certified agent with the NBA/NBAPA.
If Lamar's mom tried to "represent" other NFL players, she would need an entire team of lawyers to handle the rapid lawsuits she'd be facing from both the NFL and PA.
People cared about his mom being his agent long before his new contract and thats why it frequently came up.. you do realize that its his mom right? So asking what kinda value was she adding in 2019 and 2020 is a bit a wild. Dam she isnt a certified agent? another reason why people shouldnt be acting like agents need some kinda special education for that shit. It also makes it even better that she isnt certified yet still possibly inspired kyrie to hire his mom.
rmcjacket23
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lol no they didn't. Lamar's mom being his "agent" means he didn't have an agent. That's what the topic of conversation was. Nobody cared until at least 2021, because there's nothing any party could literally do until 2021 to have any meaningful contract impact.
It has less to do with agents needing special certification, and more to do with the fact that your "mom" acting as an "agent" is mostly just for "optics". It's just to give the public the false perception that they're more important than they really are.
I think you're quite literally the only person on the planet who thinks Lamar's mom has any impact on Kyrie's step mom. Kyrie's stepmom already had a career before becoming an agent. And she actually went through the process of certifying, which means apparently even she thinks its kind of an important thing to do.
i never said anything about her career lol or what she was doing before lol.. he literally hired his mom as his agent in 2022. Why in 2022 when she already had a career doing this?Never ever said that lamar mom inspired her to be an agent lol. Just said that its a possibility that it gave kyrie irving the idea to hire his mom since lamar did it..
Why didnt lamar have an agent? Its not that he couldnt find one! Its cause he had and wanted his mom to represent him.. lamar mom representing him was the topic of conversation!!! Everyone knew this from the start, long before 2021..
rmcjacket23
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No, its because he wanted to represent himself, not pay an agent, and just assigned his mom to do whatever the fuck it was that she did. Likely so she gets a cut of the contract, which he could have just given to her anyway. Pretty clear indication from a lot of reports that nobody was really taking his mom seriously as like an actual "negotiator" or agent.
Why did Kyrie pick his stepmom? Fuck if I know. Highly doubt its to "keep it in the family". She's only like the 4th agent he's had. He goes through them like he goes through conspiracy theories.
Come on guys @Deebo813 and @rmcjacket23. Lets stop this and come to an agreement that @Deebo813 is right
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Nobody is ever wrong at the Barbershop.
Militant X 1
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"Why are people in the sports industry so adamantly against athletes representing themselves without acquiring an agent?" Must be ruffling the feathers of a good ole boys club. Smh! Personally, I love seeing that more and more people are going against the grain and taking control of their own financial destiny. As an entrepreneur myself, I could never see myself giving my money to someone just to talk on my behalf (unless it is my lawyer lol). I know my own value and worth (based on my market and expertise) and can speak for myself. The reality (at least mine) is that no one can speak for me better than me or represent me better than me; no one! So, I appreciate cats like Lamar and Roquan and others that represent themselves. I love it and want to see more athletes do the same. Those who "want" an agent, good for them. And, for those who don't "want" or those that don't feel that they "need" an agent, good for them. Hate on that all you want but deals are being done without them. It's the American way!
rmcjacket23
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Well, there's multiple layers to this:
1. Why do NFL teams want players to have agents? Well, generally speaking, they're exponentially easier to deal with. Players are easily offended, easily emotional, and in many cases, wildly less intelligent when it comes to $. Like all you have to do is research the how quickly the average NFL player pisses through their entire career income, and you'll quickly realize these aren't the type of people who we should be encouraging to be MORE active in their $ choices. Less is more in their cases.
Agents are less emotional, have developed relationships with players, executives, teams, etc. through experience in negotiations, and oftentimes are the bridge between fantasy and reality.
2. Why do fans want players to have agents? Because agents get shit done. They get it done quicker, and oftentimes, they do it a lot quieter too.
It's in fans interest for players to get signed quicker, and for the least amount of $ possible, so that the teams can spend more $ on other players. A three year negotiation with a franchise player so that they can get 10% more than they would have years earlier, doesn't benefit the fan in any way. Players making more $ doesn't mean the fans make more $, it doesn't mean ticket prices are cheaper, etc. It doesn't even mean the team is better. It just means, literally, players make more $.
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And I mean lets call it what it really is... its mostly a "race thing".
If we were talking about Tom Brady being his own agent, nobody would be surprised or care.
With people like Lamar and Kyrie, its about a star black athlete trying to prove that he doesn't need a white guy (which is what most agents are) to negotiate for him, handle his contracts, etc.
gtalk12
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It's a big deal in the black community. We champion stuff like that
rmcjacket23
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I'm sure it is. The bigger deal should be... is that wealth becoming more generational? Or is it just a temporary holding until its wasted away?
Militant X 1
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Of course, that is what it is. As a black man in business for myself, I already knew that. The animosity and vitriol that they receive due to them not submitting themselves to the "good ole boy" system stink and stick out like a sore thumb. Great post!
rmcjacket23
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Right, but that stereotype is largely driven by real life data points suggesting that they DO, in fact, need agents, guidance, etc. If there's such a large disparity in the league among players going broke after retirement, I think that's as strong an indication as anything of not being financially savvy enough to think they can navigate that alone.
But mostly, from the NFL's perspective, they just don't want to deal with players directly, because they're super fucking stubborn, oftentimes emotional, and work at a pace that doesn't benefit anybody but themselves.
Exact same reason if you ever went to buy a house, you'd rather deal with a buyers agent than the actual buyer. Actual buyer is going to be significantly more difficult to get through to.
Militant X 1
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Unfortunately, some waste it assuming that the money is going to flow forever. Then, there are quite a few black athletes who understand that their skills have opened up the door for them to change the lives of their families for generations to come that actually know how to manage, invest and make their financial portfolio work for them in the long run. Unfortunately, most in the black community are more consumed with buying the latest pair of $400 Jordans instead of learning how to invest in the stock market, obtain rental properties, buy land, etc.