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Adreme said:
I would tell that to the people who use wins to judge Burrow just as I am telling that to you right now. Burrow is better for reasons you can actually analyze so using wins is a low football IQ way to go about it. The only thing your example shows is that Lamar Jackson is better than Tyler Huntley. That is the ONLY thing you have shown because the only time you can use wins is when comparing 2 QBs on the exact same roster which only applies when one is starting and one is the backup. You have successfully demonstrated that a top 10 QB is better than a top 45 QB. Mahomes is the best QB in football but if you put him on the Cardinals they are not making the playoffs and Mahomes would STILL be the best QB in football.

I would mock Cowherd because he is basically a poor mans Skip Bayless. He does not actually know anything but comes up with hot takes and flips them constantly to just keep being in the press.

When you have a player who is more accurate deep and short, has more velocity, makes better decisions, has a quicker release, protects the ball better, reads defenses better, and is more available, than that is enough to outweigh Lamar being more mobile. The thing is though you could do the same thing for Burrow versus everyone else who is not Mahomes and come up with the same result and that is why he is the second best QB in football and there is a gap between 2 and whoever you want to call 3.
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I’m not sure he has more velocity and you’re also acting like Burrow is Rodgers with his TD to INT ratio and that’s also not true. Yes he’s more accurate but if you watch his downfield throws a lot of them are 50/50 balls that Chase and Higgins pull in, yea he’s good at throwing them but those WRs help immensely. And no, I don’t think there’s a gap, Josh Allen was better half the season last year.
 
Adreme said:
When you have a player who is more accurate deep and short, has more velocity, makes better decisions, has a quicker release, protects the ball better, reads defenses better, and is more available, than that is enough to outweigh Lamar being more mobile.
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Burrow definitely does not have more velocity than Lamar.

Burrow has a below average arm for the NFL. It's above the threshold where it's an issue for him but it's not one of his strengths.

Lamar has a very good arm - not quite at the level of an Allen, Stafford or Herbert, but better than almost everyone else.
(Who else has a better arm? Mahomes, Fields, Richardson? Yes. Russ, still? Kyler? Maybe. I can't think of any others.)
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Burrow definitely does not have more velocity than Lamar.

Burrow has a below average arm for the NFL. It's above the threshold where it's an issue for him but it's not one of his strengths.

Lamar has a very good arm - not quite at the level of an Allen, Stafford or Herbert, but better than almost everyone else.
(Who else has a better arm? Mahomes, Fields, Richardson? Yes. Russ, still? Kyler? Maybe. I can't think of any others.)
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We are talking about different things. Velocity is not arm strength (or at how I think you are referring to it). I would argue Lamar can throw it a little further, though Burrow is more accurate throwing it deep; I was referring to if 2 WRs run 15 yards Burrow’s ball will get there first. Lamar throws can sometimes have that zip but they also frequently are much slower and have that wobble to them, hence why I give the edge to Burrow. I would overall give Lamar the edge in that thought over a lot of those being considered his contemporaries.
 
Adreme said:
We are talking about different things. Velocity is not arm strength (or at how I think you are referring to it). I would argue Lamar can throw it a little further, though Burrow is more accurate throwing it deep; I was referring to if 2 WRs run 15 yards Burrow’s ball will get there first. Lamar throws can sometimes have that zip but they also frequently are much slower and have that wobble to them, hence why I give the edge to Burrow. I would overall give Lamar the edge in that thought over a lot of those being considered his contemporaries.
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You forgot to end your paragraph with, and thus that is why there is a gap between Burrow and the rest of the league besides Mahomes
 
Deebo813 said:
I hope he is right! Highly doubt it though. No hump nor marcus. I dnt know what to expect
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He didn’t do any Ravens D / Bengals O in this video, just seemed to think their secondary is vulnerable against our WRs especially they do these same cover 1 looks. Hopefully that’s true it would be amazing for us to torch them through the air, if we win that way I think a lot of people are going to take notice of this new offense.
 
Adreme said:
We are talking about different things. Velocity is not arm strength (or at how I think you are referring to it). I would argue Lamar can throw it a little further, though Burrow is more accurate throwing it deep; I was referring to if 2 WRs run 15 yards Burrow’s ball will get there first. Lamar throws can sometimes have that zip but they also frequently are much slower and have that wobble to them, hence why I give the edge to Burrow. I would overall give Lamar the edge in that thought over a lot of those being considered his contemporaries.
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Doesn't really make sense to me. Arm strength provides the velocity. If they were both throwing it 15yds, Lamar could zip it in faster.

Yes, he's less accurate and less consistent, so it's more likely to wobble or miss the target, but in terms of the speed on the ball, I don't think even Burrow himself would claim he can throw it with more velocity than Lamar.
 
Deebo813 said:
Bengals gonna pick on geno stone
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I doubt it. They weren't successful doing that last year.

And while I have very little faith that our Oline will hold up long enough for us to have a great shot at winning this game, if there's one thing I'm pretty certain of, its that MM has drawn up some pretty great schemes on how to play the Bengals, and they've been effective.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I doubt it. They weren't successful doing that last year.

And while I have very little faith that our Oline will hold up long enough for us to have a great shot at winning this game, if there's one thing I'm pretty certain of, its that MM has drawn up some pretty great schemes on how to play the Bengals, and they've been effective.
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If we didn't have an injury week from hell last week plus Marlon plus Andrews plus Tyus plus RYS not being fully up to speed, I'd be predicting blow out.

I suspect a close game that could go either way
 
Based on some practice photos, it does look like Mekari has been getting reps at C this week with Faalele at LT. Looked like Mustipher was also getting some run, but seems like they might be open to swapping the line around if need be.
 
Simba said:
Based on some practice photos, it does look like Mekari has been getting reps at C this week with Faalele at LT. Looked like Mustipher was also getting some run, but seems like they might be open to swapping the line around if need be.
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Yes you have to swap 2 but Faalele, Simpson, Mekari, Zeitler, Moses is probably best for a couple of weeks
 
RavensMania said:
that Nov game in 2018 was Lamars first start. very memorial spin move in that game. think he carried the ball over 25 times and about 120 yards
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But that game was in Baltimore though. I would know because that was the very first Ravens game I've ever been to. I was only talking about the Ravens at Bengals games.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I doubt it. They weren't successful doing that last year.

And while I have very little faith that our Oline will hold up long enough for us to have a great shot at winning this game, if there's one thing I'm pretty certain of, its that MM has drawn up some pretty great schemes on how to play the Bengals, and they've been effective.
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Did we have all these guys out last year? I dnt remember
 
UPennChem said:
Yes you have to swap 2 but Faalele, Simpson, Mekari, Zeitler, Moses is probably best for a couple of weeks
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Would guess it starts out as Mekari at T and Mustipher at C, but think if it's not working out, they'd be comfortable swapping Mekari and Faalele in.
 
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