The Nightmare, the Turnovers and the Season's Over

[Truth]

I'm personally not fully against an attempt to draw a DPI. I'd prefer doing so in 1v1 situations along the boundary, which we did objectively try at least once. And I can understand the thinking to an extent regarding the Likely attempt. That being said, on 2nd down, 5 yards away from the red zone. Perhaps most importantly, against a referee unit that was criticized before the game for its potential bias against home teams. I'm disappointed but not shocked that it wasn't called.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I'm personally not fully against an attempt to draw a DPI. I'd prefer doing so in 1v1 situations along the boundary, which we did objectively try at least once. And I can understand the thinking to an extent regarding the Likely attempt. That being said, on 2nd down, 5 yards away from the red zone. Perhaps most importantly, against a referee unit that was criticized before the game for its potential bias against home teams. I'm disappointed but not shocked that it wasn't called.

I don't even think it was an attempt to draw a DPI- like the still shots showed, Likely is in a spot to make a play on the ball. It seemed akin to his touchdown against the Texans just a week prior.

Would it have been a really tough throw? Absolutely. Could the ball have been placed better? Assuredly.

But I can't find any truth in the idea that they were gunning for a DPI; just so happened a clear and obvious DPI was committed, but not flagged.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Thanks Reddit guy. Be the brand.

Sure thing, sideline coverage.

 

[rmcjacket23]

I'm personally not fully against an attempt to draw a DPI. I'd prefer doing so in 1v1 situations along the boundary, which we did objectively try at least once. And I can understand the thinking to an extent regarding the Likely attempt. That being said, on 2nd down, 5 yards away from the red zone. Perhaps most importantly, against a referee unit that was criticized before the game for its potential bias against home teams. I'm disappointed but not shocked that it wasn't called.

You can attempt to draw OPI when the worst case scenario is OPI. Not when its the best case.

 

[Truth]

I don't even think it was an attempt to draw a DPI- like the still shots showed, Likely is in a spot to make a play on the ball. It seemed akin to his touchdown against the Texans just a week prior.

Would it have been a really tough throw? Absolutely. Could the ball have been placed better? Assuredly.

But I can't find any truth in the idea that they were gunning for a DPI; just so happened a clear and obvious DPI was committed, but not flagged.

I believe that Jackson was asked about it in the post-game interview, and he said that thought he could drag a flag. I could be wrong, but I swear I thought that was the reason he gave.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I believe that Jackson was asked about it in the post-game interview, and he said that thought he could drag a flag. I could be wrong, but I swear I thought that was the reason he gave.

I just watched it again and he basically said, "I didn't want to throw it out of the end zone. I thought it would be PI, but the safety made a great play."

I don't think he was gunning for DPI.

 

[Truth]

You can attempt to draw OPI when the worst case scenario is OPI. Not when its the best case.

I'd say when the worst case is an incompletion and the DPI is the second best outcome, but it sounds like we both have reasons to question the decision there.

 

[Truth]

I just watched it again and he basically said, "I didn't want to throw it out of the end zone. I thought it would be PI, but the safety made a great play."

I don't think he was gunning for DPI.

Honestly, that makes me think he was going for the DPI because the ball was underthrown well enough to not allow Nick Bolton or Chamarri Conner to come away with the INT; so he was potentially thinking DPI or incompletion, but the Deon Bush peeled back to intercept it. That's at least my interpretation of it.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Honestly, that makes me think he was going for the DPI because the ball was underthrown well enough to not allow Nick Bolton or Chamarri Conner to come away with the INT; so he was potentially thinking DPI or incompletion, but the Deon Bush peeled back to intercept it. That's at least my interpretation of it.

I just think he made a bad throw, honestly.

In watching the replay, everyone else was pretty well covered and Likely did have a step on the defender. Lamar indicated he saw both defenders on Likely, but just didn't want to overthrow, which I can somewhat understand because he'd overthrown several deep shots on the day.

I don't think Lamar was thinking DPI or bust, but I don't think we'll ever be able to say for sure.

 

[Truth]

I just think he made a bad throw, honestly.

In watching the replay, everyone else was pretty well covered and Likely did have a step on the defender. Lamar indicated he saw both defenders on Likely, but just didn't want to overthrow, which I can somewhat understand because he'd overthrown several deep shots on the day.

I don't think Lamar was thinking DPI or bust, but I don't think we'll ever be able to say for sure.

It honestly could be that. That's the thing that sucks about these situations. They're always subject to having to interpret them. All we do is try our best in that respect.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I know there was some seriousness here in your sarcasm, eluding to how hard it is to have everything come together as it did, including a fully healthy roster. We really let a golden opportunity slip away that may not come again.

Exactly.

However, we felt the same when we lost the billy cundiff game, so… there’s hope

 

[Truth]

Exactly.

However, we felt the same when we lost the billy cundiff game, so… there’s hope

A very good shout!

 

[29BmoreBird22]

It honestly could be that. That's the thing that sucks about these situations. They're always subject to having to interpret them. All we do is try our best in that respect.

I agree. And the worst part is, it's a play from the final game of the season, so it's not one we'll be quick to forget.

 

[allblackraven]

The thing that bothers me most is the depth of stupidity of that throw. With over 10 minutes left on the clock and hopefully knowing that a FG would be good at that point, he chooses to throw into a sea of red unis, and doesn’t even put the ball where his guy could have a shot at catching it. It’s just got me in a state of disbelief. I know Lamar is smarter than that, right? Somebody help me understand why Monk wasn’t in his ear telling him not to take unnecessary risks in that moment.

Haven said that there were so many miscues in that game. The Zay taunting penalty, the Clowney head shot, the Zay fumble, the INT, etc., it’s hard to put it all on Lamar’s shoulder. Just one big clusterfuck if you ask me.

He threw off balance, while being hit into double coverage vs Jacksonville. Likely caught it and Lamar was proclaimed a genius. That shit was on every channel and podcast non stop for two weeks. Threw behind Likely vs Texans but Likely caught it - genius again. Yesterday Likely was blatantly tackled and was robbed of the opportunity to fight for football. It's feasible he could have caught it or at least could have done enough to break the INT - Lamar sucks in critical moments.

It's fucking hard being Lamar. Always under the microscope, regardless of the fact everybody is forgetting - offensive game plan was atrociously bad. No attempts to alter it, either. Playing under the pump AND under the microscope with almost no help is sometimes too much even for Lamar.

 

[purplepittabread88]

This. It looked like we started to do that during the season.

Lamar seems to have a problem with batted passes more so than any qb I have watched. He doesn’t do anything different it doesn’t make sense. Also when other qbs have batted balls they hit the floor but Lamar’s always seem to go into the atmosphere for three flags up. I literally have no guesses or explanations for that

 

[Dom McRaven]

Exactly.

However, we felt the same when we lost the b***y c*****f game, so… there’s hope

Yeah that man is forever an enemy of Ravens Nation.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

A very good shout!

And this is at the tail end of ray and Ed’s careers, the window looked like it had slammed shut.

It feels that way now, but there’s some fucking dogs on this team still, guys that will learn from this. And we have a newish staff and a lot of guys that are rounding out their roles here like Martin and dubb and weaver etc. along with Steve Saunders being shitcanned. Then of course, there’s Capo DeCosta who really shouldn’t be doubted anymore.

We are a next man up franchise if there’s ever been one.

Biggest concern is, can we win the big game with harbaugh at the helm… I believe we’re gonna knock at that door over and over, but unless harbaugh can fix whatever the fuck it is that has us looking like this in EVERY big game, then it’s gonna take luck for us to get over the hump.

This was a Joe flacco problem as well, he was the streakiest fucking guy ever and we really disliked his ass at times, how much of it was really Joe and how much was Harbaugh?

 

[purplepittabread88]

Of course they are and there is nothing anyone can say against it in my view. It's unfortunate, cause Lamar (and the Ravens) had the opportunity to squash all of that talk with an "MVP-like" performance. One we did not see!

Yea we can’t even be that upset because the entire media liked him in this game, picked us, heavily supported the narrative he should be mvp, and gave us every shot. Hell we were 4 1/2 point favorites to the fucking chiefs. If we lose this game and we play well, his status as top 3 holds. We deserve to be critized and bitched on.
(to clarify I mean top 3 to media holds I obviously think he is)

On a personal level of all the shit talking I did this year claiming it’s our year, boy am I going to be eating it for the next 8 months. Worst part about being somehwere like California is you are the only ravens fan anyone knows so you get 100% of shit thrown back at you. Ugh.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

It honestly could be that. That's the thing that sucks about these situations. They're always subject to having to interpret them. All we do is try our best in that respect.

I don’t think much is open to interpretation. Likely threw his hands up, for a second it would’ve looked like a good idea, they wanted six, but then Lamar underthrew tf out of it and everybody bailed on the way back to the ball that was uncatchable to likely.

If Lamar throws a good ball, that contact draws a definite flag and if Likely has a better ball to play he might fuck around and come down with it had everyone tried to play the ball, if that’s a true high pointer idk if any of those guys stands a chance.

Lamar threw an awful ball there and underthrowing into triple coverage hoping to draw a flag is not an idea any nfl qb would have

 

[purplepittabread88]

One play that isn’t getting talked about enough is when we had the ball at the 41 and Lamar got sacked to the 50 and we had the punt, that’s so unacceptable in a playoff game when you have Tucker. Get 4 yards there and kick a fg