The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[Willbacker]

Yeah if you want to point to where exactly I mentioned MS13 and being against controlling illegal immigration I'd greatly appreciate it. Also I am pretty sure I talked a good deal about my thoughts on immigration a few pages back. Maybe the link to the tweet didn't work? Can you point to me where Obama started sending out tweets like this one I have quoted for you?




I am going to start again from the top since the subject has been changed to the point that we are all jumbled up. My points:

1. Trump is only bringing up Baltimore for political points and will have some new tweet to anger the media for next week.

2. Trump and you talk a big game about how you will treat American citizens better than illegal immigrants. Here we are with Baltimore having far worse conditions according to Trump and you. If Trump wants to show he is committed to such promises, turning things around would be a good place to start. I brought up a couple things he could do if he was so inclined. There are more homicides in Baltimore this year than New York, we could use the help. But refer back to point 1 for my thoughts on if anything happens.

3. Calling an entire congressional district and city worse than a detention facility is factually inaccurate and if you are that afraid of Baltimore, I'd recommend for your own good that you just don't come here.

4. Fox and talk radio only know how to attack the left and don't hold the right accountable(similar to the media on the left). The right is only about half the problem but I think we are in a feedback cycle where the bar is getting lower and lower and it is largely driven by both of these sides. Without Trump I don't think AOC and Omar are in office.

5. Don't rag on a city if you haven't lived there and aren't going to do anything to fix their problems.

From now on, I'll just refer back to these. If you have a problem with any of these points then ask for clarification.

Also I'd really love to rag on the Dems a bit more in this thread but no one here is defending AOC or Omar or any of them so it would just be a waste of time. I will use them if they did something good that a Republican didn't do because there really is no excuse for that. People on here DO seem to really get triggered if anything bad is said about Trump though. So that is what most of these arguments come to.

I guess you didn't read the replies to the tweet. Then you'll find my MS13 reference. Its the one post where the person insinuated Trump called immigrants animals. Like all immigrants are MS13. I want to know where all these posters get their info.

Again for the 18th time I showed you how curbing illegal immigration helps American lives. I'm not doing it no more in this conversation. Also when do these mayors or congresspeople actually work with the Trump administration and be honest. When it comes to cash yeah man bring it. How about policies? First off maybe these areas should stop lying to their constituents about Trump and invoking a senseless fear that is unnessassary. That would be a great start..

Also Trump is again taken way too liberally in what he says. Everybody here agrees he's not well spoken but he was talking about a big section of Baltimore that's only the damn truth and yes they're far worse than the detention centers especially when it comes to crime and drugs. Also the rat population...………..

https://www.filminquiry.com/rat-film-2017-review/

 

[Ellicottraven]

All I'm saying is there are a lot of things wrong with Baltimore and Trump isn't wrong about it, the local politicians don't want to fix it. Trump is like any other President, he has his good and he has his bad. Unfortunately Trump also rears his ugly head way too much. I like he tells it like it is but that's when his ugly comes out more than anything.

If the Dems had a better candidate than Hillary, Trump wouldn't have won. If they think any of the candidates they are trotting out will have a better chance than Hillary, they are mistaken. Trump won't leave until 2024.

He isn't like any other President in the history of the USA. He only brings out the worst in people. What kind of President is that? The idea that Trump won't leave until 2024 is misguided. If he had his way, he wouldn't leave at all.

 

[Ellicottraven]

He called out the entire district and city but even if we are going to cherry pick examples, I'd rather live there for sure. But hey, let's say you are right. You guys are running on the platform that american citizens should be treated better than illegal immigrants. Then here is an opportunity to do something. You guys won't because frankly you don't care and are just using the misfortune of others to own the libs. But I'd love to be wrong.

If you think illegal immigration and the overcrowding is only due to actions of people in U.S. government, I think you have a lot you need to learn about it. But I'll be frank, if your only response to my arguments is to criticize the left, I think it tells us all we need to know about how bad both sides are. But I don't blame you, that is all they talk about on talk radio and Fox. I would know, I listen to that stuff too. I mean it isn't like those guys are going to hold each other accountable. Can you imagine the meltdown on Fox if Obama tweeted this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1155240345585750016

The irony is Fox News is owned by a friggin' Australian! They were kicked out of the UK and now if American democracy needs to survive they need to be disbanded here as well. That isn't news, it's total unadulterated lies and garbage with a healthy helping of white nationalism.

 

[JO_75]

He isn't like any other President in the history of the USA. He only brings out the worst in people. What kind of President is that? The idea that Trump won't leave until 2024 is misguided. If he had his way, he wouldn't leave at all.

Misguided? Like I said in another post, the Dems are trotting out the worst candidates they can who aren't good enough to beat him. They had their chance to beat him with Bernie in 2016 who was more popular than Hillary but they put their eggs in the Hillary basket, and it backfired big time. Bernie may be the best candidate to beat him next year but what Bernie is selling with his idea of socialism is not going to work in this country. That's why I said he won't leave until 2024 unless they actually get the right candidate.

The irony is Fox News is owned by a friggin' Australian! They were kicked out of the UK and now if American democracy needs to survive they need to be disbanded here as well. That isn't news, it's total unadulterated lies and garbage with a healthy helping of white nationalism.

All political stations are worst, CNN is just as bad as FOX News. If we disband FOX News, then do the same for CNN who only know how to attack Trump and try to ruin any chance they get because they don't like the fact he beat their media darling Hillary.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Misguided? Like I said in another post, the Dems are trotting out the worst candidates they can who aren't good enough to beat him. They had their chance to beat him with Bernie in 2016 who was more popular than Hillary but they put their eggs in the Hillary basket, and it backfired big time. Bernie may be the best candidate to beat him next year but what Bernie is selling with his idea of socialism is not going to work in this country. That's why I said he won't leave until 2024 unless they actually get the right candidate.



All political stations are worst, CNN is just as bad as FOX News. If we disband FOX News, then do the same for CNN who only know how to attack Trump and try to ruin any chance they get because they don't like the fact he beat their media darling Hillary.

Please do not insult journalism by comparing any TV station to Fox News and their opinion hosts. They're influencers of the uneducated and deprived people in the USA and infuse hate with lies by drumming up white nationalist views and creating a 'they (immigrants) are the reason we suck' instead of letting people know that they can improve their livelihood with education, reading and changing with times. You know as well as we all do that without immigration this country wouldn't be America. Sure I dislike illegal immigration, but if you're here because of conditions then you deserve to be treated humanely and given a fair trial. Not put away in cages for agents to ridicule and sneer at. Sorry for the diatribe but shit man, this situation stinks for the USA....

 

[52520Andrew]

I guess you didn't read the replies to the tweet. Then you'll find my MS13 reference. Its the one post where the person insinuated Trump called immigrants animals. Like all immigrants are MS13. I want to know where all these posters get their info.

Again for the 18th time I showed you how curbing illegal immigration helps American lives. I'm not doing it no more in this conversation. Also when do these mayors or congresspeople actually work with the Trump administration and be honest. When it comes to cash yeah man bring it. How about policies? First off maybe these areas should stop lying to their constituents about Trump and invoking a senseless fear that is unnessassary. That would be a great start..

Also Trump is again taken way too liberally in what he says. Everybody here agrees he's not well spoken but he was talking about a big section of Baltimore that's only the damn truth and yes they're far worse than the detention centers especially when it comes to crime and drugs. Also the rat population...………..

https://www.filminquiry.com/rat-film-2017-review/

The tweet itself was the main thing I was looking at. Like this guy is the president of the U.S., the most powerful man in the free world and he is behaving like that on social media where everyone can see. All this does is energize the Democrats and give them validation. It makes things worse for him and the country.

I have never said that I want immigrants to come into this country uncontrolled.

As for fear? That is a Republican tactic that the democrats have copied after seeing it's effectiveness. It is why they aren't nearly as good at it. But ranging from communism to terrorism to sharia law to Obama coming for people's guns to socialism to caravans., fear is the republican's bread and butter. There have been multiple caravans that have come up towards the border and haven't gotten much coverage. It is not a coincidence that one did 2 weeks before the 2018 election.

Baltimore has had rats for a while, it is not breaking news to anyone living there.

Trump said of his district that no human being would want to live there. Maybe he should have been more clear if that is not the message he wanted to send. There is no shame in proofreading, we learn how to do that stuff in grade school. Reagan was able to deal with USSR much better and I honestly think he would do a much better job bringing this country together.



I'll be honest, I think we are in a feedback loop right now where the bar gets lower and lower. What happens in 2020 or 2024 when the democrats run a candidate who is a bigger jerk(using friendly words) than Trump? Unless we as a country can collectively take a few deep breaths and come together and talk then I think things are just going to be getting worse. Who knows, maybe we will laugh about how united we were now by comparison. But I think Trump has been given enough time to figure out he is not the guy to bring this country back together. If we as a country can come together then I think we will be okay. Otherwise, I don't see things ending well.

 

[Willbacker]

The tweet itself was the main thing I was looking at. Like this guy is the president of the U.S., the most powerful man in the free world and he is behaving like that on social media where everyone can see. All this does is energize the Democrats and give them validation. It makes things worse for him and the country.

I have never said that I want immigrants to come into this country uncontrolled.

As for fear? That is a Republican tactic that the democrats have copied after seeing it's effectiveness. It is why they aren't nearly as good at it. But ranging from communism to terrorism to sharia law to Obama coming for people's guns to socialism to caravans., fear is the republican's bread and butter. There have been multiple caravans that have come up towards the border and haven't gotten much coverage. It is not a coincidence that one did 2 weeks before the 2018 election.

Baltimore has had rats for a while, it is not breaking news to anyone living there.

Trump said of his district that no human being would want to live there. Maybe he should have been more clear if that is not the message he wanted to send. There is no shame in proofreading, we learn how to do that stuff in grade school. Reagan was able to deal with USSR much better and I honestly think he would do a much better job bringing this country together.



I'll be honest, I think we are in a feedback loop right now where the bar gets lower and lower. What happens in 2020 or 2024 when the democrats run a candidate who is a bigger jerk(using friendly words) than Trump? Unless we as a country can collectively take a few deep breaths and come together and talk then I think things are just going to be getting worse. Who knows, maybe we will laugh about how united we were now by comparison. But I think Trump has been given enough time to figure out he is not the guy to bring this country back together. If we as a country can come together then I think we will be okay. Otherwise, I don't see things ending well.

Well maybe just maybe Trump in his own way is making people more aware of their local politics and the overconcern of border facilities. He sure can tone down the way he says it tho that's for sure and I've said before proofreading is needed. As for fear Democrats are the ones pushing the racial divide and they're better at fearmongering than the Repubs and its not close. Its been the theme well before Trump.

 

[Willbacker]

Please do not insult journalism by comparing any TV station to Fox News and their opinion hosts. They're influencers of the uneducated and deprived people in the USA and infuse hate with lies by drumming up white nationalist views and creating a 'they (immigrants) are the reason we suck' instead of letting people know that they can improve their livelihood with education, reading and changing with times. You know as well as we all do that without immigration this country wouldn't be America. Sure I dislike illegal immigration, but if you're here because of conditions then you deserve to be treated humanely and given a fair trial. Not put away in cages for agents to ridicule and sneer at. Sorry for the diatribe but shit man, this situation stinks for the USA....

Personally I believe Fox did a very good job running the Dem town halls. They didn't put fake people into the studio that's for sure and hey guess what theres actually tough questions to republicans and plenty enough people that'll bash Trump when they feel its needed. Chris Wallace,Shepherd Smith,Leland Vittert. These are guys that I've heard been hard on Trump. Sure we know Tucker and Hannity are opinion hosts. They tell you that. Cant say CNN or MSNBC ever says anything good and that's not biased? That's true journalism? Journalism is now political activism in way too many cases including your supposedly unbiased media like NY Times. FOX does let you know they are conservative unlike a lot of others that still pretend. Getting rid of their 1st amendment rights is a purely Nazilike/Communist/Fascist move. A lot of us uneducated folks is what is the backbone of this country. We are the deplorables.

See the thing is I see you guys whine and cry about everything but never solutions. Just bitch and complain and moan. By the time the fiscal year of 2019 is done in Oct apprehensions of illegals could top 1 million which 25% of these just wouldn't show up in court if they released and I'm keeping it at the low end of the spectrum. Lot of people. This also doesn't count people that snuck thru successfully. Do you even know how many illegals are in the country? If you do where did you get that accurate information. So our border patrol is overwhelmed. If you are so smart give your solution and let us know how much we need to pay.

 

[flynismo]

I guess these days it is "racist" to say this, but lets be real, Baltimore is a shithole. I fail to see the supposed controversy around pointing that out.

 

[JO_75]

I guess these days it is "racist" to say this, but lets be real, Baltimore is a shithole. I fail to see the supposed controversy around pointing that out.

The controversy is that Trump said it, if a Democrat had said it there wouldn't be any fuss. Dems for some reason hate facts and when Trump points out facts, they try to say they are lies to make him look bad. Trump on Twitter makes himself look bad every time he tweets so I don't see why the Democrats waste their time trying to make Trump look bad when he does a good job of that himself.

 

[Ellicottraven]

Personally I believe Fox did a very good job running the Dem town halls. They didn't put fake people into the studio that's for sure and hey guess what theres actually tough questions to republicans and plenty enough people that'll bash Trump when they feel its needed. Chris Wallace,Shepherd Smith,Leland Vittert. These are guys that I've heard been hard on Trump. Sure we know Tucker and Hannity are opinion hosts. They tell you that. Cant say CNN or MSNBC ever says anything good and that's not biased? That's true journalism? Journalism is now political activism in way too many cases including your supposedly unbiased media like NY Times. FOX does let you know they are conservative unlike a lot of others that still pretend. Getting rid of their 1st amendment rights is a purely Nazilike/Communist/Fascist move. A lot of us uneducated folks is what is the backbone of this country. We are the deplorables.

See the thing is I see you guys whine and cry about everything but never solutions. Just [profanity deleted] and complain and moan. By the time the fiscal year of 2019 is done in Oct apprehensions of illegals could top 1 million which 25% of these just wouldn't show up in court if they released and I'm keeping it at the low end of the spectrum. Lot of people. This also doesn't count people that snuck thru successfully. Do you even know how many illegals are in the country? If you do where did you get that accurate information. So our border patrol is overwhelmed. If you are so smart give your solution and let us know how much we need to pay.

All I can do is shake my head in amazement in how conditioned you've become to Fox opinion hosts' views. The same talking points that they parrot every day are the same ones we see in use every day by regular folk. No amount of liberal bashing is going to change that ground reality. Facts are funny that way because they are true. Once you are able to get the blinkers off and view every opinion out there for their 'truth' value, you'll see what I mean. In the meanwhile you do what you think is right because your thoughts are not reflective of American values of exceptionalism. You want America to be self centered and that is not what this country was founded to be. If that were the intention America would still be 13 colonies strong.

 

[Ellicottraven]

I guess these days it is "racist" to say this, but lets be real, Baltimore is a shithole. I fail to see the supposed controversy around pointing that out.

It is pretty darn racist to say it. You called it correctly.

 

[flynismo]

It is pretty darn racist to say it. You called it correctly.

What exactly is racist about calling Baltimore rat and crime infested? Is that not the truth? Am I a racist since I think it is a shithole and don't like going there aside from catching a game or betting on horses due to all the crime and filth?
A better question...what am I then racist towards? A city? Can you answer these questions without bringing race into the picture, because I certainly said nothing about race...and neither did Trump.

 

[flynismo]

The controversy is that Trump said it, if a Democrat had said it there wouldn't be any fuss. Dems for some reason hate facts and when Trump points out facts, they try to say they are lies to make him look bad. Trump on Twitter makes himself look bad every time he tweets so I don't see why the Democrats waste their time trying to make Trump look bad when he does a good job of that himself.

Not true anymore...those idiots are now calling each other racists. Bernie and Pelosi were the last two to be called racists by their own party members....I love it!

 

[Willbacker]

All I can do is shake my head in amazement in how conditioned you've become to Fox opinion hosts' views. The same talking points that they parrot every day are the same ones we see in use every day by regular folk. No amount of liberal bashing is going to change that ground reality. Facts are funny that way because they are true. Once you are able to get the blinkers off and view every opinion out there for their 'truth' value, you'll see what I mean. In the meanwhile you do what you think is right because your thoughts are not reflective of American values of exceptionalism. You want America to be self centered and that is not what this country was founded to be. If that were the intention America would still be 13 colonies strong.

See the thing is EC I can say the same in reverse doubletime lol to you. When you sit there and want to get rid of an opposing voice cuz you don't agree with it that is beyond conditioning. That's brainwashing. Look when I see the only things from the Dems are open borders,more govt programs,everything is racist/phobia and higher taxes yeah call me turned off.

I noticed you didn't have any solutions about the border btw.

 

[Willbacker]

Not true anymore...those idiots are now calling each other racists. Bernie and Pelosi were the last two to be called racists by their own party members....I love it!

They should all have a weekly with Marianne and feel the love and fight the hate.

 

[gtalk12]

I guess these days it is "racist" to say this, but lets be real, Baltimore is a shithole. I fail to see the supposed controversy around pointing that out.

that isn't racist.

 

[gtalk12]

boy, they got Mario Lopez walking back comments that he DIDN'T make and is calling himself ignorant in the process.

It's amazing really, that nobody can have a single conversation with it turning into the LEFT vs the RIGHT. That is nuts that we have all been sorted into 2 categories based on one thought on one particular thing. It's disgusting

You have people on the left bashing him and calling him transphobic and people on the right agreeing with him and defending it.


A COMMENT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE.

 

[Willbacker]

boy, they got Mario Lopez walking back comments that he DIDN'T make and is calling himself ignorant in the process.

It's amazing really, that nobody can have a single conversation with it turning into the LEFT vs the RIGHT. That is nuts that we have all been sorted into 2 categories based on one thought on one particular thing. It's disgusting

You have people on the left bashing him and calling him transphobic and people on the right agreeing with him and defending it.


A COMMENT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE.

https://news.sky.com/story/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-deletes-tweet-praising-boris-johnson-11772723

The Rock says he liked one comment that the British PM said. Didn't support his politics or nothing like that but was forced to delete his tweet and apologize.

 

[flynismo]

boy, they got Mario Lopez walking back comments that he DIDN'T make and is calling himself ignorant in the process.

It's amazing really, that nobody can have a single conversation with it turning into the LEFT vs the RIGHT. That is nuts that we have all been sorted into 2 categories based on one thought on one particular thing. It's disgusting

You have people on the left bashing him and calling him transphobic and people on the right agreeing with him and defending it.


A COMMENT THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE.

I'm assuming the below is the "controversial" comments:

"I’m never one to tell anyone how to parent their kids, obviously, and I think if you come from a place of love, you really can’t go wrong, but at the same time, my God, if you're 3 years old and you’re saying you’re feeling a certain way or you think you’re a boy or a girl or whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination."

I don't see the problem. Sounds like common sense to me, regardless of who said it.