The Offseason Thread

[rossihunter2]

This paragraph was in the article below. Full link provided. I hope this is true

John Harbaugh and the Ravens are reportedly making progress on a long-term contract extension. Assuming he remains with the franchise, the head coach may consider making a change at offensive coordinator after the Chargers out maneuvered Marty Mornhinweg.

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2...stands-out-terrell-suggs-john-harbaugh-weddle

i feel like that comes across as pure prognostication by the beatdown rather than any actual sourced info
i see no indication that Harbs is unhappy with Marty - i hope that's just him being a good leader and keeping it all internal but in all honesty i doubt it

my hope is that in the self-scout he realises but im not sure they get rid because for yet another season marty has a half-season excuse

 

[rossihunter2]

Never thought I was gonna change my mind on peanut but I did. He needs a tender.

I like us as a 4-3 with mosley young and peanut, all ideal fits with their speed and range, along with interchangeable rush specialists to run over and unders

honestly given the amount of nickel and dime the league plays and especially the ravens, the base package basically doesnt matter because that 3-4/4-3 becomes a 4-2/2-4 most of the time anyway - the only real difference is in base packages but id be interested in how often we play our base package

 

[cdp]

i feel like that comes across as pure prognostication by the beatdown rather than any actual sourced info
i see no indication that Harbs is unhappy with Marty - i hope that's just him being a good leader and keeping it all internal but in all honesty i doubt it

my hope is that in the self-scout he realises but im not sure they get rid because for yet another season marty has a half-season excuse

Marty's time is over. The chargers used a very college oriented defense instead of a pro defense. According to harbs we knew exactly what they were doing on defense yet couldn't move the ball at all except for the 2min offense. Since he's been with us he showed a clear lack of situational playcalling and in-game adjustments. It's time to move on. I'd hire Kingsbury instantly if he doesn't become the Cardinals HC

 

[ravenslord]

Teach Stanley not to tip off whether the play is a run or pass should be an off-season priority . An article out says Chargers knew 100 percent of the time whether we were passing or running

https://forum.russellstreetreport.c...ers-Knew-Playcalls-From-OLinemen-Set-Up/page2

 

[rossihunter2]

Teach Stanley not to tip off whether the play is a run or pass should be an off-season priority . An article out says Chargers knew 100 percent of the time whether we were passing or running

yeah also something happened to Ronnie the last 2 weeks where he got the snap count wrong a couple of times and was left dead still in his stance for a beat post-snap

it's odd because he'd been playing so well this year

 

[ALI624]

All these sweet and naive people that believe Marty is going anywhere. When he dies they are going to have him stuffed and brought onto the sidelines.

 

[RavensMania]

yeah also something happened to Ronnie the last 2 weeks where he got the snap count wrong a couple of times and was left dead still in his stance for a beat post-snap

it's odd because he'd been playing so well this year

this did happen on a couple occasions versus the Browns and again vs. the Chargers in the playoffs. Wonder what was happening, because he had a very good season overall.

 

[SaltyDog]

Carr is going nowhere. As for Weddle it may mean taking a pay cut to stay (for the leadership qualities) and Jimmy will stay depending on how healthy the team believes he is and probably with a restructure to his contract. Mosley will stay a Raven.

I think either Carr or Smith won’t be back, and honestly I would let Smith go. They can save ~ $9.5 mil vs. ~ $5 mil for Carr. And when was the last year he played 16 games?

Weddle is a tough one for me. I like the leadership he brings to the younger players but his skills have declined greatly. A pay cut makes sense and I hope both sides can work something out.

Mosley will definitely be back.

 

[Adreme]

Part of me wants to blame Marty for how Chargers "figured out" the Ravens offense but part of me wonders if it had to be that simple because you are starting a very young rookie.

 

[gtalk12]

If John stays then Marty stays. Smh

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

Why does everyone seem to think that we'll get rid of Jimmy? Having two borderline elite corners is a luxury that not many teams have and we shouldn't be in a rush to break that up.

 

[SaltyDog]

Why does everyone seem to think that we'll get rid of Jimmy? Having two borderline elite corners is a luxury that not many teams have and we shouldn't be in a rush to break that up.

I don’t think most people do believe we will get rid of him, but I do think you need to look at his cap hit savings for 2019 if we did release him, and decide whether we could survive without him. When I look at our CB group I believe we are in better shape now then we have ever been, talent wise. However, given that we are in decent cap space shape in 2019, if they can afford to keep him then I’m all in.

 

[allblackraven]

Part of me wants to blame Marty for how Chargers "figured out" the Ravens offense but part of me wonders if it had to be that simple because you are starting a very young rookie.

Very young rookie didn't have much trouble late in the game when he was left alone by moron OC and allowed to play football.
Bad game planning, lack of these staff ability to adjust and ridiculously trash O line plan killed us.

 

[Adreme]

Very young rookie didn't have much trouble late in the game when he was left alone by moron OC and allowed to play football.
Bad game planning, lack of these staff ability to adjust and ridiculously trash O line plan killed us.

He made 2 good throws, one was a blown coverage where he hit wide open guy and the other his guy was open because he scrambled around for awhile until something happened.

Those aren't how those plays are drawn up and you can't draw up "rum around for 6 seconds until someone is open enough for you to hit them"

I get we want to see the positive in the franchise QB but he was awful pretty much the entire game and garbage time yards do not change that.

 

[allblackraven]

He made 2 good throws, one was a blown coverage where he hit wide open guy and the other his guy was open because he scrambled around for awhile until something happened.

Those aren't how those plays are drawn up and you can't draw up "rum around for 6 seconds until someone is open enough for you to hit them"

I get we want to see the positive in the franchise QB but he was awful pretty much the entire game and garbage time yards do not change that.

Well, the ability to run around for 6 seconds until the receiver is open and catches a TD is something we missed since forever. With all the bad for 3 and a half quarters it still gave us a fighting chance. If our backup QB came in, you know how those two TD plays end? Yes, you do know - he threw it away after 1st read.

 

[rossihunter2]

Very young rookie didn't have much trouble late in the game when he was left alone by moron OC and allowed to play football.
Bad game planning, lack of these staff ability to adjust and ridiculously trash O line plan killed us.

i went back and watched the last 3 drives to see how we ran them - and you're right - we literally only huddled when the clock stopped from about 8:30 left - until that point we'd had virtually no first downs in the game and then suddenly we have 2 drives for tds and we started that last drive before the strip sack with a first down on the first play

for as bad as lamar played for 3 and a half quarters he put the offence on his back in the 4th quarter with no huddle (and at most muddle huddle) and ran it almost to perfection twice and started well the 3rd (but got stripped by Nwosu) - in that space he overcame a complete lack of protection, penalties, 4th and long multiple times and got us in a position where we were driving to win

now he was taking crazy risks at the end with throws that you wouldnt want him to make any other time (the heave across his body to dixon above derwin james's head is a throw i never want him to make in any other situation) but the upshot is he put the team on his back where the offence was his and he was able to throw the ball and he took advantage

 

[rossihunter2]

He made 2 good throws, one was a blown coverage where he hit wide open guy and the other his guy was open because he scrambled around for awhile until something happened.

Those aren't how those plays are drawn up and you can't draw up "rum around for 6 seconds until someone is open enough for you to hit them"

I get we want to see the positive in the franchise QB but he was awful pretty much the entire game and garbage time yards do not change that.

he made more than 2 good throws... you're literally just describing the 2 td throws... and it's hard to call it garbage time when we were driving with the ball down 1 score at the end before the strip - as unbelievable as it sounds he took us from the brink to a situation where we could win however unlikely it had seemed 8 minutes earlier

and its not just about those 2 plays, its about how he ran the whole offence during that period, with multiple good throws, quick reads, managing the clock etc. and then on top of that he had the miracle plays and the taking advantage of a coverage bust

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

I don’t think most people do believe we will get rid of him, but I do think you need to look at his cap hit savings for 2019 if we did release him, and decide whether we could survive without him. When I look at our CB group I believe we are in better shape now then we have ever been, talent wise. However, given that we are in decent cap space shape in 2019, if they can afford to keep him then I’m all in.

I'm only in favor of releasing him if we absolutely need those cap savings in order to sign an impact player at another position. Otherwise, we probably could survive without him, but I wouldn't be confident when looking at our injury history for the CB position.

 

[allblackraven]

now he was taking crazy risks at the end with throws that you wouldnt want him to make any other time (the heave across his body to dixon above derwin james's head is a throw i never want him to make in any other situation) but the upshot is he put the team on his back where the offence was his and he was able to throw the ball and he took advantage

Not that I want to compare them of course but Mahomes made it to the MVP with throws like that, remember 4th&9 into tripple coverage?

 

[rossihunter2]

Not that I want to compare them of course but Mahomes made it to the MVP with throws like that, remember 4th&9 into tripple coverage?

it was slightly different but yeah not completely dissimilar and the situations in which they made those passes both justified the attempt... albeit jackson's was 2nd and 10 while mahomes was 4th and 9 but still it was a now-or-never type situation and they both made the play

mahomes's was the better throw and im still not quite sure how derwin james missed that ball from jackson but i suppose as a chiefs fan you might wonder how CJ didnt get that ball ahead of Tyreek...