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The Offseason Thread

redrum52

Hall of Famer
Lamar played his 8th career game vs the most well rounded team in the NFL behind the worst O line performance of the season and with terrible play calling.
Flacco did the same in his 11th season, after ugly 9th and 10th seasons - he is what he is.
Lamar will have time to improve.

That's stupid... rookies dont improve. Stick with the vet who makes similar mistakes at a much higher cost with much more experience that has peaked.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
Sigh.........

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2517317002?__twitter_impression=true

We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

Newsome expects that a strong offseason developing under offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg (who once helped resurrect Michael Vick’s career with the Eagles) and personnel moves to complement Jackson are essential. His role in aiding the process, though, is to be determined.
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
i think you overestimate how useful a blocking TE is to other teams - he's far more useful to us than other teams so I'm not sure he gets a better deal elsewhere mostly because he offers very little as a pass catcher
You say that but we’ll see. I’ve been surprised before by some players who get deals. He may be a blocker and offer nothing as a receiver but some team may really need that and be prepared to give him some cash. It would be a risk because, as I’m about to say, I just don’t know if it’s worth it with his suspension history.

Speaking of that, I think suspensions should drop if you go x period of time without a suspension. Unless it is that way and we don’t know, it’s such BS. It would be dumb to suspend a guy the whole year because he had previous suspensions like 3 years ago. Not applicable here, just a random thought
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
You say that but we’ll see. I’ve been surprised before by some players who get deals. He may be a blocker and offer nothing as a receiver but some team may really need that and be prepared to give him some cash. It would be a risk because, as I’m about to say, I just don’t know if it’s worth it with his suspension history.

Speaking of that, I think suspensions should drop if you go x period of time without a suspension. Unless it is that way and we don’t know, it’s such BS. It would be dumb to suspend a guy the whole year because he had previous suspensions like 3 years ago. Not applicable here, just a random thought

teams will likely back themselves to find that blocking TE in the draft somewhere rather than pay boyle...

maybe ill be proven wrong but in this particular case id be surprised if he doesnt return (if we do offer him a deal of some sort)

with regards to suspensions they do drop off I think - I cant remember what period of time it is (might be 2 years without a suspension) - but i recall it happening to Ndamukong Suh
 

TheCity55

Practice Squad
Lamar played his 8th career game vs the most well rounded team in the NFL behind the worst O line performance of the season and with terrible play calling.
Flacco did the same in his 11th season, after ugly 9th and 10th seasons - he is what he is.
Lamar will have time to improve.
I think the play-calling and game planning had some to do with Lamar’s limitations as a passer. I agree, generally the play calling was awful but I do think what happened Sunday was eventually going to happen.
 
Here are some details regarding B.Williams' contract. We could have saved 3m this offseason if we hadn't restructured his contract a 2nd time.
I'd release him if we used those 9.25m to get a better pass rusher, FS or OL.

2019 post june 1 designation release
2019 savings 9.25m
2020: cap hit: 9.84m
= total -.59m over 2 seasons to not play another down for the ravens.

2020 offseason release:
2019 cap hit: 14.17m
2020 savings 4.33m
=total -9.84m to play the 2019 season

That's also one way to see it of course.
I also understand how needed AND cool it would be to sign up a big money pass rusher with the help of those money.
Problems are a few:
First, you'll have to release him post june the 1st.. You won't find a pass rusher to salivate for at that time.
In that moment you'll be paying him those 9 mil (which is exactly his 2020 figure) to go away.
You're literally jumping into someone else's leftover while getting rid of one of the best interior run stuffers in football, who's also missed only 4 games in the last 5 years.
Other issue: what if Pierce gets injured? Our strongest attribute would almost certainly become our bigges weakness.
I don't think we can afford to do the move, or better: we shouldn't dare.
Especially because we might have enough cap to sign a pretty good player right away anyway.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
He missed open recievers and people point out Joe missing reads but Lamar has done the same and it could be a bigger problem with him given his over confidence in his ability to make plays with his feet.

And yeah, Marty sucks balls.
I’ll cut some slack to a rookie in his 8th nfl game for not being able to read the defense.

Flacco on the other hand was pretty abysmal for the most part in reading the defense as an 11 year veteran, missing open reads at this point in joes career is unacceptable
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Lamar is ruined and we most certainly won’t have a quality season next year. Super bowl is certainly off the table
yes we want him gone, but lets not get so negative at this point. It's not like we are going to have a simplified playbook next season. More and more of the playbook will be available to Lamar.
 

allblackraven

Hall of Famer
yes we want him gone, but lets not get so negative at this point. It's not like we are going to have a simplified playbook next season. More and more of the playbook will be available to Lamar.
Somehow, I don't believe that. Marty had veteran QB last season and his play calling sucked as well.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Somehow, I don't believe that. Marty had veteran QB last season and his play calling sucked as well.
although playcalling is important I believe it's more about the execution of a play call. It doesn't matter how good a play call is, if you don't execute. Agree that Marty's situational playcalling sucks.
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
although playcalling is important I believe it's more about the execution of a play call. It doesn't matter how good a play call is, if you don't execute. Agree that Marty's situational playcalling sucks.
I have to disagree. The Rams didn't change much on offense from the last Fisher year to the first McVay year. A coach actually taking what his players do well into account and putting them in position to succeed makes a gigantic difference when compared to a coach that plays to their weaknesses or refuses to adjust his gameplan when it's going poorly.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
I have to disagree. The Rams didn't change much on offense from the last Fisher year to the first McVay year. A coach actually taking what his players do well into account and putting them in position to succeed makes a gigantic difference when compared to a coach that plays to their weaknesses or refuses to adjust his gameplan when it's going poorly.
I absolutely agree with your statement. I'm not saying playcalling isn't important, because it is, all I'm saying is that you have to execute and we weren't doing that on Sunday. He absolutely should have adjusted his playcalling on Sunday. My god, stop running up the middle and call a damn rollout...
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
I think the play-calling and game planning had some to do with Lamar’s limitations as a passer. I agree, generally the play calling was awful but I do think what happened Sunday was eventually going to happen.
I do as well, but you have to have the talent to stop the scheme and the chargers had the talent.

Now if you are running an offense with a normal amount of passing and still running rpos it would be different, because they can’t sell out to stop the run if you can also pass the ball. I believe this is what we will see next season
 

Grim

Ravens Ring of Honor
teams will likely back themselves to find that blocking TE in the draft somewhere rather than pay boyle...

maybe ill be proven wrong but in this particular case id be surprised if he doesnt return (if we do offer him a deal of some sort)

with regards to suspensions they do drop off I think - I cant remember what period of time it is (might be 2 years without a suspension) - but i recall it happening to Ndamukong Suh
It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong. If Boyle comes back, cool. I couldn't care less, I just don't think both come back here. I don't prefer Boyle due to the suspensions, but that's good to know they drop off. I always thought that was dumb. I just wonder if it happens for substance abuse and PEDs. That's been his [Boyle] issue, unlike character stuff, which was Suh's issue.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong. If Boyle comes back, cool. I couldn't care less, I just don't think both come back here. I don't prefer Boyle due to the suspensions, but that's good to know they drop off. I always thought that was dumb. I just wonder if it happens for substance abuse and PEDs. That's been his [Boyle] issue, unlike character stuff, which was Suh's issue.

last year i would have agreed with you with regards to boyle vs maxx but its been quite clear this year that boyle is by far the better and more useful blocker both in pass pro and run blocking - as both a puller and a more traditional in-line blocking technique
 

RaineV1

Ravens Ring of Honor
I kind of hope we keep Weddle around. Not as the starting safety, but a backup, player-coach to help out young guys on the team. He seems like a very good mentor. And even if his playing days are done, give him some made up coaching title and let him help help coach up our younger guys on defense. He's got a great mind for the game and understands how to do all the little things right. I don't want him as the starter, but I would hate to lose that part. Also if we lose Mosely, we'll need a new QB for the defense, the guy calling the on field adjustments. Weddle would be great to have around to help that young player learn that role.

Also, him studying under Wink for a few years on how to run the defense as a coordinator could give us a solid plan B if/when Wink gets poached/retires.
 
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