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rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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OURavensFan said:
Idk, I just have to find him overrated at this point because everyone acts like he’s had two Flacco like post season runs and it just hasn’t been the case. He was lucky to not have 4 INTs this past game, his only big plays were under thrown deep balls. In the super bowl he was lucky to have 1TD, it was an egregious no call.

I think he’s good and I get ball placement increases the likelihood of completing 50/50 balls, but I don’t consider him Tom Brady or Mahomes like some do. And obviously I’m bias and annoyed that a lot of ppl around here call Lamar a running back and act like he can’t hold a candle to Burrow whereas I think he does more with less, not to mention is 6-1 against said team.
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I'd argue he's underrated. He takes a lot of stink off of, what I think, is a fairly average roster overall.
They've had at peak an average and at worst a dreadful offensive line for his entire Bengals tenure. They really don't run the ball particularly well, and their defense is kind of just "meh" to me. Like it's not bad, but they don't have a lot of playmakers, and its a bunch of just like average to good players at various positions, but nothing even remotely special.

Everybody harps on the fact that he has excellent weapons to throw to, which he does. But I can say this for certain... if you made the Ravens roster look like the Bengals, the Ravens aren't winning anything. Lamar with a mediocre defense, a below average Oline, and a pedestrian running game is scaring precisely nobody.

I think position-by-position, the Bengals have probably the weakest overall roster in the division. And yet they are rightfully viewed as the best team in it.
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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OURavensFan said:
Idk, I just have to find him overrated at this point because everyone acts like he’s had two Flacco like post season runs and it just hasn’t been the case. He was lucky to not have 4 INTs this past game, his only big plays were under thrown deep balls. In the super bowl he was lucky to have 1TD, it was an egregious no call.

I think he’s good and I get ball placement increases the likelihood of completing 50/50 balls, but I don’t consider him Tom Brady or Mahomes like some do. And obviously I’m bias and annoyed that a lot of ppl around here call Lamar a running back and act like he can’t hold a candle to Burrow whereas I think he does more with less, not to mention is 6-1 against said team.
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to piggy back off of this:
2022 Bengals D: T-15th in yards/play allowed, T-11th in turnovers forced, T-17th in net yards/pass attempt allowed, T-7th in rush yards/attempt allowed, T-7th most in defensive penalties, T-8th most in defensive penalty yardage, 12th in QB hits, 29th in sacks, 6th highest yards/completion allowed.
2021 Bengals D: T-19th in yards/play allowed, T-17th in turnovers forced, T-20th in net yards/pass attempt allowed, T-13th in rush yards/attempt allowed, T-5th in most defensive penalties, 8th most in defensive penalty yardage, 12th in QB hits, T-11th in sacks, 12th in yards/completion allowed.

Also:
2021: T-23rd in yards/attempt rushing, 24th in rushing first downs, T-14th in rushing TDs
2022: T-29th in yards/attempt rushing, 24th in rushing first downs, T-19th in rushing TDs

For the last two years, Bengals are a complete and utter average-to-below average NFL defensive team, with a pretty dreadful running game. And they've been in the AFCG twice and made a SB.
 
Thezone27

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rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue he's underrated. He takes a lot of stink off of, what I think, is a fairly average roster overall.
They've had at peak an average and at worst a dreadful offensive line for his entire Bengals tenure. They really don't run the ball particularly well, and their defense is kind of just "meh" to me. Like it's not bad, but they don't have a lot of playmakers, and its a bunch of just like average to good players at various positions, but nothing even remotely special.

Everybody harps on the fact that he has excellent weapons to throw to, which he does. But I can say this for certain... if you made the Ravens roster look like the Bengals, the Ravens aren't winning anything. Lamar with a mediocre defense, a below average Oline, and a pedestrian running game is scaring precisely nobody.

I think position-by-position, the Bengals have probably the weakest overall roster in the division. And yet they are rightfully viewed as the best team in it.
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well the Browns have no QB... and they're missing something even more important... good karma
 
Thezone27

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rmcjacket23 said:
to piggy back off of this:
2022 Bengals D: T-15th in yards/play allowed, T-11th in turnovers forced, T-17th in net yards/pass attempt allowed, T-7th in rush yards/attempt allowed, T-7th most in defensive penalties, T-8th most in defensive penalty yardage, 12th in QB hits, 29th in sacks, 6th highest yards/completion allowed.
2021 Bengals D: T-19th in yards/play allowed, T-17th in turnovers forced, T-20th in net yards/pass attempt allowed, T-13th in rush yards/attempt allowed, T-5th in most defensive penalties, 8th most in defensive penalty yardage, 12th in QB hits, T-11th in sacks, 12th in yards/completion allowed.

Also:
2021: T-23rd in yards/attempt rushing, 24th in rushing first downs, T-14th in rushing TDs
2022: T-29th in yards/attempt rushing, 24th in rushing first downs, T-19th in rushing TDs

For the last two years, Bengals are a complete and utter average-to-below average NFL defensive team, with a pretty dreadful running game. And they've been in the AFCG twice and made a SB.
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and yet Mixon gets paid top dollar. SMH
 
JoeyFlex5

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OURavensFan said:
Idk, I just have to find him overrated at this point because everyone acts like he’s had two Flacco like post season runs and it just hasn’t been the case. He was lucky to not have 4 INTs this past game, his only big plays were under thrown deep balls. In the super bowl he was lucky to have 1TD, it was an egregious no call.

I think he’s good and I get ball placement increases the likelihood of completing 50/50 balls, but I don’t consider him Tom Brady or Mahomes like some do. And obviously I’m bias and annoyed that a lot of ppl around here call Lamar a running back and act like he can’t hold a candle to Burrow whereas I think he does more with less, not to mention is 6-1 against said team.
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Well just keep in mind that you are a ravens fan in cinci, im sure bengals fans that lived in the Baltimore metro area had some seriously strong opinions about flacco when he was here lol
 
JoeyFlex5

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rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue he's underrated. He takes a lot of stink off of, what I think, is a fairly average roster overall.
They've had at peak an average and at worst a dreadful offensive line for his entire Bengals tenure. They really don't run the ball particularly well, and their defense is kind of just "meh" to me. Like it's not bad, but they don't have a lot of playmakers, and its a bunch of just like average to good players at various positions, but nothing even remotely special.

Everybody harps on the fact that he has excellent weapons to throw to, which he does. But I can say this for certain... if you made the Ravens roster look like the Bengals, the Ravens aren't winning anything. Lamar with a mediocre defense, a below average Oline, and a pedestrian running game is scaring precisely nobody.

I think position-by-position, the Bengals have probably the weakest overall roster in the division. And yet they are rightfully viewed as the best team in it.
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Painful truth here
 
gtalk12

gtalk12

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The guy is top 3 in the league. That is not underrated to me.

At least not in the circles that I am in.
 
OURavensFan

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rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue he's underrated. He takes a lot of stink off of, what I think, is a fairly average roster overall.
They've had at peak an average and at worst a dreadful offensive line for his entire Bengals tenure. They really don't run the ball particularly well, and their defense is kind of just "meh" to me. Like it's not bad, but they don't have a lot of playmakers, and its a bunch of just like average to good players at various positions, but nothing even remotely special.

Everybody harps on the fact that he has excellent weapons to throw to, which he does. But I can say this for certain... if you made the Ravens roster look like the Bengals, the Ravens aren't winning anything. Lamar with a mediocre defense, a below average Oline, and a pedestrian running game is scaring precisely nobody.

I think position-by-position, the Bengals have probably the weakest overall roster in the division. And yet they are rightfully viewed as the best team in it.
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I’d like to see their defensive numbers in the post season, their defense seemed to be the reason they went on their runs for the most part.
 
rmcjacket23

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OURavensFan said:
I’d like to see their defensive numbers in the post season, their defense seemed to be the reason they went on their runs for the most part.
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I mean OK, but what's that going to tell you? That Burrow carried the team for the entirety of the regular season and then somebody else stepped up in the playoffs? Why would that be a problem? Or is the argument that the defense, which basically didn't show up much during the season, miraculously shows up in the playoffs?

If we add context to it, its even worse.
Like the 2022 Bengals D played Tyler Huntley at home, an extremely limited Bills offense in the snow, and then lost to Mahomes. The defense did exactly what you thought it would do against two pedestrian offenses (with weather) at that point. It played good but not great.

The 2021 Bengals D played Derek Carr and Ryan Tannehill in the playoffs, then won a pedestrian defensive game against Mahomes.

Like at least 3-4 of their playoff games the last two years, they played average or below average offenses. In some cases, anemic ones.
 
gtalk12

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OURavensFan said:
I’d like to see their defensive numbers in the post season, their defense seemed to be the reason they went on their runs for the most part.
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Na, and please don't make this into a Burrow lovefest in here but he is THAT guy. He erases a lot of the issues they have
 
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