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Lamar Jackson

Discussion in 'Ravens Talk' started by Ice Bowl, May 9, 2018.

  1. JAAM

    JAAM Pro Bowler

    Awesome stats, but he still needs to improve on a lot, and this is coming from a Lamar fan-boy. I’m confident he’ll figure it out. He’s probably the hardest working Raven in that building and he’s hungry for success
     
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  2. gtalk12

    gtalk12 Pro Bowler


    Give Lamar time, I think he is the truth. Think about it, still somewhat a rookie QB and the expectations are high
     
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  3. ravenslord

    ravenslord Pro Bowler

    I consider him a rookie this year. Last year he had zero time with the 1st team and was only brought in due Joe's injury.
     
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  4. Grim

    Grim MVP

    Not being sarcastic but then did you consider Mahomes as being in his rookie year last year when he took the league by storm? I personally didn’t and I disagree on Jackson being in his rookie year this year. I think Jackson was thrown to the fire last year, yes, and feel that this year is more indicative of his abilities and capabilities; however, I can’t just say he’s a rookie this year especially when he gained some experience last year.
     
  5. allblackraven

    allblackraven Hall of Famer

    He was forced to play with a very cut-down playbook which he learned during the bye week and after not having many practice snaps with ones during training camp. Mahomes learned a full season from Andy Reid and Alex Smith before starting last year. Lamar learned from Marty and Flacco didn't consider working with Lamar to be part of his job.

    Comparisons with Mahomes are meaningless. Nobody compares to that boy but Lamar showed he can beat him if D played just a little better.
     
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  6. airconteka

    airconteka Practice Squad

    Either way, he was a rookie last year regardless if it was ideal.
     
  7. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    To be fair, we would’ve won that game if Lamar wasn’t missing all those deep shots. He missed a lot of throws that were guaranteed TDs that game
     
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  8. Grim

    Grim MVP

    I agree on the playbook, practice and offense all not being developed with him in mind. The only comparison to Mahomes is the concept that a QB is in his “rookie” year when it didn’t appear to be the plan to start either their first year after drafting them.
     
  9. balfan23

    balfan23 MVP

    I want Lamar to be Lamar. I want him to stop listening to his critics and trying to be what they say he can't be. Ryan Clark made a comment that is in line with what I was thinking on several plays in the Steelers game

    “He’s taking some of his athleticism away trying to show people that he can sit in the pocket and make throws. There were opportunities [versus Steelers] where he could have used his legs ..." and ended up taking sacks.

    There were several times where he held the ball standing in the pocket too long then tried to do his back-door escape and it was closed. He took 2 or 3 sacks like that and maybe another one or two where it didn't qualify as a sack, but got a yard or two - when if he had a shorter clock in his head, he had an escape route and could have gotten some yards. And by some yards - given his elusiveness.

    Not to say it is a bad thing for him to resist running after his first read and there is a gap, but vs. Steelers it just seemed like he held the ball to long just being stationary when I feel like his clock needs to tell him when it is time to abandon the pocket and take off.
     
  10. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    Fully agree here. He’s definitely trying too hard to prove a point, I see it often, he tries to sidestep once, twice, even three times in the pocket when he has so many chances to roll out, and the same player he sidesteps simply recovers and makes the play because Lamar has bought himself no time by creating space
     
  11. ravenslord

    ravenslord Pro Bowler

    I would like to see some plays where Lamar ball fakes the run and then rolls out to throw 10 yard darts . Ive seen none of this this year.
     
  12. Tank

    Tank Ravens Ring of Honor

    Last week I was screaming for some roll out/moving pocket plays to slow the rush, seems they've shrunk the playbook.
     
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  13. Adreme

    Adreme Ravens Ring of Honor

    Right now my biggest gripe with Lamar is that I worry he is trying too hard to pass over run and that results in him trying to force throws that were not there. I recently saw that he has the 5th highest rate of interceptable balls in the NFL (I love the new age stats) and that certainly shows.

    For those wondering Winston is by far number 1 at 9% and Lamar is 5.2%.
     
  14. JoeyFlex5

    JoeyFlex5 Hall of Famer

    Guys, we can’t call for designed rollouts, ya know why?

    .... because we’ve seen them often and they have basically a 100% fail rate and we all throw a goddamn fit every time. The power sweep passes are ineffective and also just hideous to watch, as soon as you see the line roll with the qb you know an incompletion or sack is coming. The only time it has ever worked is when it was designed for Lamar to throw back across his body, and that is a very risky play.

    We don’t need that. What we need is for Lamar to just be himself and roll out when the opportunity is presented, or boots and waggles, we love running right on first down so much that teams just crash tf out of the right every first down, so take advantage, fake it from under center and roll Lamar left as the line downblocks right, run Hollywood on a zig out of the slot so it looks like he’s gonna block right, have him cut back late so Lamar can hit him in stride while the whole defense is pursuing opposite his direction, he’s the fastest goddamn player on the field and won’t be caught. How we haven’t figured out these kinds of things is beyond me
     
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  15. ravenslord

    ravenslord Pro Bowler

    How bout an occasional screen? Lamar is getting hammered back there the last few games.
     
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  16. Ludy51

    Ludy51 Ravens Ring of Honor

    You trust this line to block in space?
     
  17. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    given the way we run to the right and given the athletic ability of stanley to make blocks in space it's crazy that we are such a bad screen team - and have been since ray rice has been gone

    it shouldnt be difficult and yet we're never good at screens
     
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  18. ravenslord

    ravenslord Pro Bowler

    MAybe not but at least throw a screen in there to keep the defensive pass rushers honest.
     
  19. ravenslord

    ravenslord Pro Bowler

    Tell you what ,Hill could take one to the house on a screen if the blocks are made. Easy.
     
  20. rossihunter2

    rossihunter2 Staff Member Moderator

    speaking of screens...

    this from Zrebiec:

    Roman said screens and short passes to Marquise Brown are something team would like to add into offense. Didn’t quite pinpoint why we haven’t seen any of that yet other than to say you can’t show everything at once.

     
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