Lamar Jackson

[rmcjacket23]

No matter what way you look at it. No matter what hypothetical you choose, you find that it makes no sense for the Ravens to do anything but sign him RIGHT NOW.

I think if you're not confident he can stay healthy and be available when you need him to be, the franchise tag makes a ton of sense.

It almost makes a ton of sense if you're concerned that Roman wasn't really the problem with the offense.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Been saying for a little while that FAs might be really turned off to the organization based on their PERCEPTION of how the Ravens are handling Lamar. Their perception does not even have to be right, but it can start to taint our image. WRs on the team were already begging to leave. I'm sure others as FAs knew not to come. If the FO gets a negative perception as being cheap and not valuing it's players that would be bad

Well a) I think we're only shopping in the mid or lower tiers of FAs anyway, which means a lot of these guys don't have the ability to be choosers, and b) I suspect most of our receiving upgrades will come from the draft, which means the player doesn't really get to decide whether they want to be here or not.

 

[ravenslord]

Don't get sensitive now SpeculationLord.

Nothing you've posted has held any weight and you got called out on it

 

[rmcjacket23]

if we trade lamar, there will never not be beat writers and national writers comparing everything the ravens do with how lamar's team is doing

if lamar stays on the tag another year - the questions dont go away
if lamar gets traded in 2023 - there's a bunch of new questions that may linger even longer than the contract ones

the only way the "distractions" go away is if lamar signs a long-term deal

I personally think its more national writers than beat writers though. The national press really just sees the "highs" and does very little to identify the "lows" (i.e. lack of availability late in the season).

From the local beat writers I've seen, I think they're kind of "split". I think most think we should extend him long term, but I've seen very few suggest he should get a blank check or get the Watson deal, and I've seen several who are resigned to the fact that if they can't reach agreement this year, they should trade him.

 

[UPennChem]

I think if you're not confident he can stay healthy and be available when you need him to be, the franchise tag makes a ton of sense.

It almost makes a ton of sense if you're concerned that Roman wasn't really the problem with the offense.

On the health point, ok that's fair.

On the Roman point, everyone knows that a combination of injuries, poor roster construction at WR, and Roman were to blame.

Anyone who thinks it was all Roman was a fool

 

[UPennChem]

Well a) I think we're only shopping in the mid or lower tiers of FAs anyway, which means a lot of these guys don't have the ability to be choosers, and b) I suspect most of our receiving upgrades will come from the draft, which means the player doesn't really get to decide whether they want to be here or not.

Likely true. But if we traded Lamar maybe not. But again, overwhelmingly likely to be true

 

[rmcjacket23]

Been saying for a little while that FAs might be really turned off to the organization based on their PERCEPTION of how the Ravens are handling Lamar. Their perception does not even have to be right, but it can start to taint our image. WRs on the team were already begging to leave. I'm sure others as FAs knew not to come. If the FO gets a negative perception as being cheap and not valuing it's players that would be bad

Not really worried about perception. They've paid plenty of other players (Roquan, Marlon, Stanley, etc.). It just means they won't pay everybody.

I do think FA WRs realize that they wouldn't be productive in a Ravens offense led by Roman, but that could be changing.

 

[ravenslord]

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[rmcjacket23]

Likely true. But if we traded Lamar maybe not. But again, overwhelmingly likely to be true

I mean if we trade Lamar before the draft, we can do literally anything we want from a roster construction standpoint.

The problem is most of the quality players will have long since signed elsewhere.

Make no mistake... 2023 is probably a throwaway year if we trade Lamar before the season. Like best cases are you manage to do it before the draft and nab a high-end rookie, or you get a fairly cheap veteran (like a Jimmy G level). I don't see that roster being overly competitive in the AFC as such.

 

[UPennChem]

I mean if we trade Lamar before the draft, we can do literally anything we want from a roster construction standpoint.

The problem is most of the quality players will have long since signed elsewhere.

Make no mistake... 2023 is probably a throwaway year if we trade Lamar before the season. Like best cases are you manage to do it before the draft and nab a high-end rookie, or you get a fairly cheap veteran (like a Jimmy G level). I don't see that roster being overly competitive in the AFC as such.

Still agree here. All I'm saying is if you go multiple years with people leaving our organization saying they are either fundamentally flawed / don't pay their guys it will start to create a bad perceived culture for the Ravens.

I think the biggest counters to this fear are one, as you've said, we've paid other guys and 2 Roman is out of there. If there's anything meaningful at the WR position next year that issue can go away too

 

[rossihunter2]

Been saying for a little while that FAs might be really turned off to the organization based on their PERCEPTION of how the Ravens are handling Lamar. Their perception does not even have to be right, but it can start to taint our image. WRs on the team were already begging to leave. I'm sure others as FAs knew not to come. If the FO gets a negative perception as being cheap and not valuing it's players that would be bad

except i dont think they actually have that reputation
people are obviously interested in lamar

but we've given huge deals to guys at a decent number of positions - all the below deals are since 2019

LT - Ronnie Stanley
CB - Marlon Humphrey (and Marcus Peters too)
TE - Mark Andrews
S - Marcus Williams (and Earl Thomas before that)
LB - Roquan Smith

and that doesnt include these smaller but market topping deals:
Blocking TE - Nick Boyle
Fullback - Pat Ricard
Kicker - Justin Tucker

there's no way that players or agents think we're cheap just because we havent paid lamar yet

 

[gtalk12]

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[allblackraven]

This hurts

Don't they want to come play for John?

 

[ndub]

Don't they want to come play for John?

Lol fuck no. Only some certain Ravens fans overrate Harbage. Most remember how he was with an out of his prime Flacco before Lamar saved his career

 

[Thezone27]

Lol fuck no. Only some certain Ravens fans overrate Harbage. Most remember how he was with an out of his prime Flacco before Lamar saved his career

No it's his personality, not his skill.

 

[ndub]

No it's his personality, not his skill.

It’s both, homeboy

 

[Sandtown]

If ain't about Lamar Jackson contract then it's about John Harbaugh and if it's not about John Harbaugh then it's about Lamar Jackson and if it ain't about Lamar Jackson then it's back to John Harbaugh and it it aint about both then it's still about Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh......

 

[ndub]

If ain't about Lamar Jackson contract then it's about John Harbaugh and if it's not about John Harbaugh then it's about Lamar Jackson and if it ain't about Lamar Jackson then it's back to John Harbaugh and it it aint about both then it's still about Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh......

It’s actually the truth? Not sure how y’all aren’t getting it?

 

[cdp]

Lol these "reports" are all cap.
Lamar hasn't said anything new since the end of season presser as well as our FO.
We're going to sign him eventually. Offseason barely started yet.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

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