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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Jags edition

UPennChem

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I still haven't written them off. I don't like what I've seen the last two weeks (was actually quite pleased with the Bucs game to be honest), but there's also a bunch of things I don't like about many teams in the AFC right now. Chiefs and Dolphins look like the best teams, Bengals are surging but also have basically one good "win" and have a brutal schedule left. Buffalo looks extremely vulnerable right now and has a lot of work to do, and everybody else in the AFC is just "meh" to me.

And frankly most of the NFC is just trash to me. Cowboys, Eagles and 49ers are good but flawed, and everybody else in the NFC basically sucks.
Everything you've said there is reasonable and I won't dispute that. That being said this team lacks far too much to do anything in the playoffs. It lacks the simple ability to execute middle school type plays. It has a hard time getting a ball snapped. It can't stop a 4th and 15 to save its life. The defense are week as fuck. The offense has no one to threaten anything. They don't even have the swagger or identity. This team has had its tail between its legs all year.
 

gtalk12

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Someone explain it though. Is it this defense is filled with a bunch of pussies? Or MM is calling a pussy ass game every time we hit the 4th quarter? What's going on? All I know is that defense is weak as shit.

Side note: For the love of God Oweh do something to help your team. You're the easiest matchup on the field every single week for the opposing OL. He's somehow regressed tremendously from what would be considered an incredibly mediocre season for a rookie last year.

It looked like MP has been getting torched alot in the games we have lost. At least that is how it feels.
 

UPennChem

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It looked like MP has been getting torched alot in the games we have lost. At least that is how it feels.
If one singular CB is the reason you're losing all your games your DC is actually complete ass. Especially when you have extremely high play from Marlon and the safeties to go with probably the best LB duo in the league. Not to mention Calais, Madabuike, Broderick, Houston, JPP, and Bowser.
 

gtalk12

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If one singular CB is the reason you're losing all your games your DC is actually complete ass. Especially when you have extremely high play from Marlon and the safeties to go with probably the best LB duo in the league. Not to mention Calais, Madabuike, Broderick, Houston, JPP, and Bowser.

The first one he got smoked on looked like he was playing zone and the safety was late getting over.

I agree with you that if Peters is getting toasted like that then help would have to come over the top
 

redrum52

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Lmao it's so funny in here today. Yall are not taking it well at all. Unfortunately no one should be one but surprised with how this season is going based on what's happened.

I wrote this team off after the Bucs win.
This trash ass defense cost me 4200. Needed the game to stay under 50. This is my personal reason for being pissed. The loss is whatever to me.
 

JoeyFlex5

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You would be surprised by all the City Ordinance Laws. The States Attorneys usually toss them, but that long wait sitting on a concrete floor at CBIF really really sucks. I consider it a win.
So there are laws that say if a citizen just insults you, you can arrest them? And ftr I never suggested you were a psycho or would kill over an insult lol just saying that a man in that position of authority should have the ability to absolutely remove his personal feelings from the equation, at least when it comes to simple insults.
 

rmcjacket23

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If one singular CB is the reason you're losing all your games your DC is actually complete ass. Especially when you have extremely high play from Marlon and the safeties to go with probably the best LB duo in the league. Not to mention Calais, Madabuike, Broderick, Houston, JPP, and Bowser.
I mean, in yesterdays game in particular, it wasn't just one corner. Stephens got picked on a lot and gave up a lot of plays.
I wouldn't say "extremely high level of play from the safeties either". Stone had his worst game by far yesterday, and having Stone and Clark in there isn't exactly all-inspiring. Basically getting safety production at similar levels to last season, and there's a reason why we invested so heavily in upgrading that.

All those players have played better, of course, but weren't good yesterday.

What I saw from the defense yesterday was a) poor tackling and angles taken by a lot of players, including both of those linebackers, b) high level play from Marlon and very pedestrian play by pretty much everybody else in the secondary and c) a quality pass rush that faded into nothingness with the game on the line.
 

UPennChem

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I mean, in yesterdays game in particular, it wasn't just one corner. Stephens got picked on a lot and gave up a lot of plays.
I wouldn't say "extremely high level of play from the safeties either". Stone had his worst game by far yesterday, and having Stone and Clark in there isn't exactly all-inspiring. Basically getting safety production at similar levels to last season, and there's a reason why we invested so heavily in upgrading that.

All those players have played better, of course, but weren't good yesterday.

What I saw from the defense yesterday was a) poor tackling and angles taken by a lot of players, including both of those linebackers, b) high level play from Marlon and very pedestrian play by pretty much everybody else in the secondary and c) a quality pass rush that faded into nothingness with the game on the line.
But i dont disagree with that. So it could be a "blip" of sorts. Marcus having an off day. Geno playing his worst game as a starter. Pass rush disappearing at the end etc etc. Very well could be the case.

But it may also be that these guys who've shown they CAN be better and also have shown they can be probably worst in the league are probably playing up and down because something is schematically wrong
 

rmcjacket23

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It looked like MP has been getting torched alot in the games we have lost. At least that is how it feels.
I'm going to look at the all-22 this week in particular, because as others have mentioned, Peters looks out of place frequently in zone coverage. I don't recall how well he did in LA or KC with such schemes, but obviously Wink didn't play much zone, and so most of his time here in BAL has been in man coverage, where I think he does a lot better.

He at least optically in live situations appears to be a lot similar to Queen in terms of flaws in zone coverage, i.e. he frequently gets lost in space and doesn't appear sure about what depth he should be at or where the proper spots to sit in the zone are.

Would also point out that a lot of the positives we've seen from Peters in the past, i.e. jumping routes and freelancing a bit at times when he thinks he has a chance to make a play on the ball, do have downsides, and I've seen a couple of those. I believe there were at least 1-2 routes yesterday where we were in zone coverage and Peters bit on the underneath route and then was subsequently beaten over the top into his zone. Now some of that could be design and errors made by the Safeties, but its hard to tell in live games.

But my overall impression from yesterday is that whatever coverage they were playing that involved Zone or Cover 2-3, there was a huge disconnect between Peters and whoever the Safety was with the over the top help. Even on the RB TD on the wheel route, just looked like nobody knew what to do.

One things for sure though... if Peters continues to struggle this much in Zone, he's gone next year. MacDonald is going to play more zone than Wink did, as well he should. I think the days of Corners being specific to either man or zone coverages are over. If you can't play both, you're not going to be nearly as effective. Offenses are too good to play one coverage consistently. Defenses have to be multiple, and so do the players.
 

Deebo813

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With Hamilton, Williams and Ojabo our D will be tough. Won't need to score much.
If Stanley can get back and we're healthy in the backfield, we are still the problem.
If ojabo can come in and look amazing we have a chance.. other than that, its over before it even starts
 

Deebo813

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I'm going to look at the all-22 this week in particular, because as others have mentioned, Peters looks out of place frequently in zone coverage. I don't recall how well he did in LA or KC with such schemes, but obviously Wink didn't play much zone, and so most of his time here in BAL has been in man coverage, where I think he does a lot better.

He at least optically in live situations appears to be a lot similar to Queen in terms of flaws in zone coverage, i.e. he frequently gets lost in space and doesn't appear sure about what depth he should be at or where the proper spots to sit in the zone are.

Would also point out that a lot of the positives we've seen from Peters in the past, i.e. jumping routes and freelancing a bit at times when he thinks he has a chance to make a play on the ball, do have downsides, and I've seen a couple of those. I believe there were at least 1-2 routes yesterday where we were in zone coverage and Peters bit on the underneath route and then was subsequently beaten over the top into his zone. Now some of that could be design and errors made by the Safeties, but its hard to tell in live games.

But my overall impression from yesterday is that whatever coverage they were playing that involved Zone or Cover 2-3, there was a huge disconnect between Peters and whoever the Safety was with the over the top help. Even on the RB TD on the wheel route, just looked like nobody knew what to do.

One things for sure though... if Peters continues to struggle this much in Zone, he's gone next year. MacDonald is going to play more zone than Wink did, as well he should. I think the days of Corners being specific to either man or zone coverages are over. If you can't play both, you're not going to be nearly as effective. Offenses are too good to play one coverage consistently. Defenses have to be multiple, and so do the players.
Ive always thought MP played his best in zone cvg
 

Militant X 1

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